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# Ranking Systems

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30 Nov 2004, 18:55
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Many readers have expressed confusion regarding the Cluster Ranking System. The model stems from, well you guessed it, a cluster analysis of business schools. As with any ranking system (whether it is of NCAA football or GPA) one should use scholastic rankings with caution. Further, these rankings concern only general reputation of the school and often schools have domain specific ranks that are much stronger than their general rank.

Why use cluster analysis instead of a strict, floor to ceiling ordinal list?
Primarily because these strict ordinal lists have the danger of forcing distinctions among programs of virtually identical standing. In addition, the variables that we use to measure scholastic quality and opportunities are extremely imprecise. Thus, we are deluding ourselves if we believe that we can make meaningful distinctions among schools of similar standing. However, we can make broad distinctions among schools of dissimilar standing.

Why not simply use a "top 5, top 10" list?
These lists are disfavored since they suggest that schools are highly discontinuous in their opportunity sets. For instance, the #11 school (however defined) might be mistakenly viewed as being meaninfullly inferior to the #10 school. Another reason that these lists are disfavored is that the standing of institutions rarely change as rapidly as their standings in league tables change (Yes, glaciers do move, but one should not confuse them with cheetahs).

Why not call them Tier I or Tier II etc.?
I suppose one could use these terms, but I prefer the descriptive labels. I like the way that the labels call attention to the proximity of the cluster to the elite schools. Thus, Near Elite makes it clear that these are prestigious schools if not quite on the level of the most esteemed general reputation schools.

Why do these clusters include only US schools?
This is certainly a legitimate criticism. The main reason concerns the type of information available from each school. However, one can rather easily project non-US schools onto this cluster system. For instance, INSEAD and LBS could be included in the Elite cluster.

Ultraelite- The 7 most esteemed US schools, essentially the top of the elite group.

Elite- The most selective group of school (used as both a generic term for all 16 top schools and and a specific term for the schools just below the Ultraelite)

Transelite- The schools that overlap with many of the Elite group. This handful of schools essentially "blends into" the lower edge of the Elite group.

Near Elite- Usually relatively small and highly specialized schools. Within specific domains such as finance and marketing these schools are outstanding.

Near Elite Frontier: These are nationally recognized programs that are less selective than the Near Elite schools. Many offer outstanding opportunities for budget conscious consumers.

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15 Dec 2004, 20:14
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In no particular order within clusters . . .

Ultraelite

MIT
Columbia
Penn
Stanford
Chicago
Harvard
Northwestern

Elite

NYU
Michigan
Cornell
UCLA
Duke
UC Berkeley
Yale
Dartmouth
Virginia

Transelite

Emory
USC (Marshall)
Texas (McCombs)
Carnegie Mellon
North Carolina (Kenan-Flagler)

Near Elite

Washington University (Olin)
Purdue
Rochester
Vanderbilt
Georgetown
Notre Dame
Maryland (Smith)
Indiana (Kelley)

Some notes on clusters:

As a generality, the Near Elite schoools are quite small. Even a relatively large NE school such as Maryland has fewer FT students than Stanford, the smallest of the Ultraelites.

The Near Elites have a number of specialist schools that are difficult to beat within their specialty. For instance, Maryland and Rochester are outstanding schools in their specific domains.

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01 Dec 2004, 00:15
hjort,

great post. i was reading a few of your reviews and i was wondering why you classified stuff as elite, nearelite etc. providing with a definition for each term it is clearer now for many of us. i guess my quesiton would be in which categorie would you put the following schools:

UNC - Chapel Hill, UVA-Darden, Ohio State-Fisher, Boston Uni, Boston College, Northeastern Uni, UConn, University of South Carolina and Thunderbird.

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01 Dec 2004, 20:48
Perhaps this helps for General Reputation:

UNC TransElite
UVA Elite
Ohio State, Thunderbird, BC, BU Near Elite Frontier

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01 Dec 2004, 21:19
thanx for the quick reply hjort. this classification really helps me choose better schools in which i will have a greater chance of getting into . thnx again cheerz

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09 Dec 2004, 18:52
hey hjort,

which schools would you include in the ultraelite , elite, transelite, and nearelite rankings ?

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11 Dec 2004, 14:50
Another good question . . . I am building up the reviews on this site starting with the Near Elite and working toward the Ultra Elite.

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11 Dec 2004, 22:08
that would be great i kinda saw a pattern there. thanx again

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15 Dec 2004, 21:00
thanx for the great list hjort, it is a really helpful tool for all of us.

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15 Dec 2004, 21:18
surprised not to see cornel and michigan not in the ultraelite cluster. whats your basis for placement in clusters - general reputation/recruiters/gmat scores ... etc??

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16 Dec 2004, 18:40
Generally, I have included the typical information such as admissions, placement, league table standings in forming the clusters. As I recall, Michigan was strongly in the elite group but simply did not have the overall recruiting power of the ultraelite. Cornell is pretty typical elite school but also lacks the recruiting power of the ultraelites. It is not that Cornell and Michigan are weak so much as the Ultraelites are simply so strong.

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16 Dec 2004, 20:46
very well put hjort, thanx for clarifying it.

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16 Dec 2004, 22:02
Hey Hjort, this is a superb post. Thank you very much. By the way, I happened to have read the post on Wharton resumes and well, I guess it's normal that anyone would just feel somewhat intimidated by such CVs. However, apart from ultraelite schools, should one expect to see such CV caliber at Elite schools(INSEAD, LBS) or transelite schools ?
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21 Dec 2004, 22:19
This classification is the cornerstone on which Hjort helped me to select my schools and believe me this made my life much easier.

The whole process of selecting the schools otherwise does not have a scientific bend to it....

About - CVs being great and blah blah blah....Paul dont worry. CV writing is an art and most CV's can be tailored to show strength.

Finally, I would like to add that the Cluster classification should be assisted with cluster by specialization. The combination of the two would help in shortlisting the schools better.

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24 Dec 2004, 07:47
Thank you nitinag for the info.
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26 Dec 2004, 23:33
Over time I would like to put up information regarding specific domains such as finance and marketing. Sadly, however, this is one of those projects that will have to wait . . .

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27 Dec 2004, 03:08
Hello Hjort ,

Can you please tell us about MBA in university of california ,Irwin

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27 Dec 2004, 16:01
I have created a separate post for UC Irvine.

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05 Jan 2005, 01:02
Hi Hjort,

I saw many questions on the forum like, "which school is better for particular program?"

Can you please give us ranking of the schools according to the programs?
That would also be really helpful, since some of the schools may change the clusters for some programs. Also, most of us select school depending on what program we are interested in! ...... it would be really helpful

Cheers,
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