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My mind has been filled with too many apprehensions over the past few days.I would like to know the average INSEAD score ..there are some sources which publish the average as 710. But i would like to know the whether there is anything like average score for indian IT male for admission to INSEAD?

is 710 enough? Q50 and V37 AWA 5 ? Confident on writing good essays but apprehensive on the average indian applicant score

background:
typical indian IT male

1) good academic background on the whole 83% and top university.
<edited .... since it is misleading.. my whole point is do academics compensate >

But all these were in the technical side.None of them contained any sort of verbal portion.
So how are these achievements viewed? Is the verbal portion of the GMAT viewed with empathy? or no mercy? have to compete with the average indian applicant score of 740?

2) 5 years exp.
3) international exposure

i love to get into INSEAD. So,should i retake the exam ? Hopes in ISB are also diminishing day by day

Originally posted by aravindb on 11 Aug 2010, 11:37.
Last edited by aravindb on 12 Aug 2010, 09:20, edited 1 time in total.
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As I often tell my Indian friends, the first step you need to take towards getting your MBA isn't even related to the application process. It's related to your mindset. Scores fail to matter after a point. I'd say plus or minus 30 of the average would be around good.

You do realize that given the way the educational system of India is shaped, most Indians are really good at math, don't you? The quantitative score, however impressive it might be, fails to matter say, beyond a 45-48. Doing bad on that will pull you down, but getting a 51 won't necessary say anything, because so did like 3000 other applicants.

The verbal portion is intended to put everyone on a same platform. If you're taking classes that are taught in English, they demand a certain amount of knowledge of the language from all applicants - native and non-native. So this is where you can prove that you're above the average IT applicant in order to master the section, as far as the GMAT is concerned. But bluntly speaking, and honestly put, I really don't think your awesome Q will balance a sub-par verbal score. I'd advise a more even split, in that you don't rely on your 700+ score to be a byproduct of only Q as opposed to an equal contribution from both sections.

As to answering the general direction of your question, there is no such thing as an average score for an Indian IT applicant. In fact, it'd be all the more better for you to distinguish yourself from that "average IT" crowd if you really want to get in.

The adcoms do realize that most Indians who apply for an MBA have an engineering or technical background (I am grossly generalizing here, but it's the rough truth). So unless you scored AIR 1 on the JEE I really don't think it would matter much. As for your undergraduate education, some colleges ask for an essay to detail the experiences. But once again, when you're applying for your MBA program, you should stop putting an infinite amount of importance on your technical scores. The 10th and 12th board exam scores will matter next to nothing and once again, but highlighting your technical background, you will have the opposite effect of what you want to happen.

They do not view your verbal with mercy in the sense that your Q might compensate for an abysmal verbal. But if your application is rock solid in all other senses, they wouldn't care to differentiate between a 40 verbal and a 48 verbal.

So start by telling yourself that the GMAT is but a score on the application. The real merit of your application is in how you present yourself as a distinct entity, very separable from the "IT crowd" that has become notoriously infamous in the MBA communities for placing undue emphasis on their technical skills when there's roughly 10,000 others with the same or better skills. I'm not asking you to completely avoid this in your application, but you should be focusing on that work experience and international exposure you mentioned there thrice as much as the concern you've expressed for your scores.

I apologize in advance if anything I said appeared to be stereotyping the population. But I only said what I did because you identified yourself with the said stereotype. And you needn't have to explain how the system works in India, as I studied there myself before moving to the US. I hope this clears some of the confusion you've had, and I sincerely hope you migrate from your quantitative stance to a more qualitative one. :)
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yes retake it if you feel you want to boost score
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As I often tell my Indian friends, the first step you need to take towards getting your MBA isn't even related to the application process. It's related to your mindset. Scores fail to matter after a point. I'd say plus or minus 30 of the average would be around good.

You do realize that given the way the educational system of India is shaped, most Indians are really good at math, don't you? The quantitative score, however impressive it might be, fails to matter say, beyond a 45-48. Doing bad on that will pull you down, but getting a 51 won't necessary say anything, because so did like 3000 other applicants.

The verbal portion is intended to put everyone on a same platform. If you're taking classes that are taught in English, they demand a certain amount of knowledge of the language from all applicants - native and non-native. So this is where you can prove that you're above the average IT applicant in order to master the section, as far as the GMAT is concerned. But bluntly speaking, and honestly put, I really don't think your awesome Q will balance a sub-par verbal score. I'd advise a more even split, in that you don't rely on your 700+ score to be a byproduct of only Q as opposed to an equal contribution from both sections.

As to answering the general direction of your question, there is no such thing as an average score for an Indian IT applicant. In fact, it'd be all the more better for you to distinguish yourself from that "average IT" crowd if you really want to get in.

The adcoms do realize that most Indians who apply for an MBA have an engineering or technical background (I am grossly generalizing here, but it's the rough truth). So unless you scored AIR 1 on the JEE I really don't think it would matter much. As for your undergraduate education, some colleges ask for an essay to detail the experiences. But once again, when you're applying for your MBA program, you should stop putting an infinite amount of importance on your technical scores. The 10th and 12th board exam scores will matter next to nothing and once again, but highlighting your technical background, you will have the opposite effect of what you want to happen.

They do not view your verbal with mercy in the sense that your Q might compensate for an abysmal verbal. But if your application is rock solid in all other senses, they wouldn't care to differentiate between a 40 verbal and a 48 verbal.

So start by telling yourself that the GMAT is but a score on the application. The real merit of your application is in how you present yourself as a distinct entity, very separable from the "IT crowd" that has become notoriously infamous in the MBA communities for placing undue emphasis on their technical skills when there's roughly 10,000 others with the same or better skills. I'm not asking you to completely avoid this in your application, but you should be focusing on that work experience and international exposure you mentioned there thrice as much as the concern you've expressed for your scores.

I apologize in advance if anything I said appeared to be stereotyping the population. But I only said what I did because you identified yourself with the said stereotype. And you needn't have to explain how the system works in India, as I studied there myself before moving to the US. I hope this clears some of the confusion you've had, and I sincerely hope you migrate from your quantitative stance to a more qualitative one. :)

Hi Whip,

I didn't read the post but I have a feeling I know what you said :) Nice post!
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yes retake it if you feel you want to boost score

Shaselai,

I second this, what score do you think he should aim for? 795?
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i am not sure because i dont know his gpa. it is probably decent from his description though. i think with the competitiveness maybe 750ish?>
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Guys, stop playing around please?

The GPA is immaterial to this question except as a potential boost for the application in the circumstance that his GMAT is really bad.

aravind, I think a feasible target to set yourself would be a 700. But focus on trying to get a holistic section score compatibility as well.
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Hi Whiplash and others,
Thanks for the advice.


there are four quadrants in INSEAD application, i have doubts only on the fourth part

1. leadership skills
-- am confident of showing this in my essays
2. International exposure
-- am confident of showing the international motivation in my essays
3. Ability to contribute
-- reasonably confident with extra curricular things
4. Academic + GMAT
-- I feel 710 is a good score..I have no doubts about it..and verbal is 80%- quant 93%, if not a great balance, it is not a worst balance
But recent insights from various people and mba admission experts( Richard Mantauk ) showed that 'for indians, the average score is in the 740s' and the reason for rejection would not be clear whether it is because of score or bad application.

1)So that is the reason i stressed on the academic part,if it would compensate for the score.
2) experts also suggest that if you depending on the specialization preferred, some schools prefer Quant score.. So wanted to check if INSEAD gives any importance.
3) In my essay ,I won't be writing a laundry list of achievements.
What is important is how am different in reaching those achievements,their relevance blah blah blah

And finally INSEAD also says '70% in each section is good for atleast reviewing the app'
INSEAD in its website says that 'We normally do not encourage applications from previously rejected candidates'
So ,have to weigh the risk factor as well... and should we shoot the center of the target rather than shoot at the ends multiple times ?
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yeah that's why i was suggesting a retake to get around that score - i understand it is part of the application BUT it is also a part that YOU CAN CHANGE. Most applicants can't really change the other parts - GPA? Done. Work Experience? Done. Extracurricular? Pretty much all done unless you want to look insincere and get one now.. So although I agree adcom looks at the WHOLE PICTURE but if you know you can do better than a 710 then why not? of course suggesting a 795 is unrealistic and impossible but there are people on the forum who retook from 700 and got higher scores.
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shaselai wrote:
yeah that's why i was suggesting a retake to get around that score - i understand it is part of the application BUT it is also a part that YOU CAN CHANGE. Most applicants can't really change the other parts - GPA? Done. Work Experience? Done. Extracurricular? Pretty much all done unless you want to look insincere and get one now.. So although I agree adcom looks at the WHOLE PICTURE but if you know you can do better than a 710 then why not? of course suggesting a 795 is unrealistic and impossible but there are people on the forum who retook from 700 and got higher scores.


Definitely the only thing he can change right now. I think he should aim for the 795 though. Even though it is unrealistic, if he falls short, he will still have a great score!
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guys :-D don't fight in fixing the target score .. ROTFL.. :lol: leave it...
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guys :-D don't fight in fixing the target score .. ROTFL.. :lol: leave it...


I love your signature, any tips on improving verbal?
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definitely... am going to come up with tips soon...
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Definitely the only thing he can change right now. I think he should aim for the 795 though. Even though it is unrealistic, if he falls short, he will still have a great score!


You've gotta stop doing this.

Aravind, yes, do retake by all means. But the whole average score thing is meant to be there for the purpose of a statistic and just that. If you can retake and get a better score, do it. But as an Indian IT applicant, they are not going to give any special weightage to your Quant score since everyone has an awesome quant, considering your specific competitor pool.

IF your'e confident about expressing your achievements, leadership skills and international motivation (whatever that means, I am not even sure what you want to convey there, but I'll assume it's a global presence for going beyond just India and so on) in your essays, a 710 won't hold you back from getting in. But that said, like shaselai suggested retaking isn't a bad idea either. Aim for a 750, and if you end up at a 730 you're bang in the target zone.

A 710 is a great score. I don't think any school will reject you for that. If at all anything, they might give you more brownie points for exemplifying other qualities in your essays because the GMAT score is but one part of your application, and perhaps the most redundant one given your specific competitor pool.
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aravindb wrote:
guys :-D don't fight in fixing the target score .. ROTFL.. :lol: leave it...


I love your signature, any tips on improving verbal?


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whiplash2411 wrote:
As I often tell my Indian friends, the first step you need to take towards getting your MBA isn't even related to the application process. It's related to your mindset. Scores fail to matter after a point. I'd say plus or minus 30 of the average would be around good.

You do realize that given the way the educational system of India is shaped, most Indians are really good at math, don't you? The quantitative score, however impressive it might be, fails to matter say, beyond a 45-48. Doing bad on that will pull you down, but getting a 51 won't necessary say anything, because so did like 3000 other applicants.

The verbal portion is intended to put everyone on a same platform. If you're taking classes that are taught in English, they demand a certain amount of knowledge of the language from all applicants - native and non-native. So this is where you can prove that you're above the average IT applicant in order to master the section, as far as the GMAT is concerned. But bluntly speaking, and honestly put, I really don't think your awesome Q will balance a sub-par verbal score. I'd advise a more even split, in that you don't rely on your 700+ score to be a byproduct of only Q as opposed to an equal contribution from both sections.

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The adcoms do realize that most Indians who apply for an MBA have an engineering or technical background (I am grossly generalizing here, but it's the rough truth). So unless you scored AIR 1 on the JEE I really don't think it would matter much. As for your undergraduate education, some colleges ask for an essay to detail the experiences. But once again, when you're applying for your MBA program, you should stop putting an infinite amount of importance on your technical scores. The 10th and 12th board exam scores will matter next to nothing and once again, but highlighting your technical background, you will have the opposite effect of what you want to happen.

They do not view your verbal with mercy in the sense that your Q might compensate for an abysmal verbal. But if your application is rock solid in all other senses, they wouldn't care to differentiate between a 40 verbal and a 48 verbal.

So start by telling yourself that the GMAT is but a score on the application. The real merit of your application is in how you present yourself as a distinct entity, very separable from the "IT crowd" that has become notoriously infamous in the MBA communities for placing undue emphasis on their technical skills when there's roughly 10,000 others with the same or better skills. I'm not asking you to completely avoid this in your application, but you should be focusing on that work experience and international exposure you mentioned there thrice as much as the concern you've expressed for your scores.

I apologize in advance if anything I said appeared to be stereotyping the population. But I only said what I did because you identified yourself with the said stereotype. And you needn't have to explain how the system works in India, as I studied there myself before moving to the US. I hope this clears some of the confusion you've had, and I sincerely hope you migrate from your quantitative stance to a more qualitative one. :)


You're pretty darned on the dot there... very well written and insightful. Thanks.
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All crap. GMAT for Indian male engineer really plays a big role.It will play a major role don't be mistaken.Just try asking B schools on this data.Most will not share data,but those who will you can see it is usually 20-40 points higher.Sometimes this also is not enough.Next time anyone misguides Indian male engineers there should be serious slapping replies by people who get admits to tell the truth.Only on certain rare occasions will our category be accepted with average or below average scores.This reply is late but those who search now can find it useful.

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