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I picked E on this one because I interpreted the meaning of the sentence to be that "researchers are using images to help the surgeons plans operations and are developing programs that will work for doctors/nurses like flight simulators do for pilots......"

why is this an incorrect interpretation of the meaning?


Option E is not only wrong w.r.t meaning interpretation but also wrong technically (w.r.t grammar).

As per the meaning of the sentence - Researchers are using images to do 2 things: 1. to help surgeons ... 2. to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses

This construction is logically and grammatically parallel.

In addition, in option E , "like" is followed by a clause (sentence). "Like" always compares noun/pronoun. Mistake in option E (like flight simulators do)

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Researchers are using computer images to help surgeons plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses in the same way that flight simulators do for pilots, letting medical personnel practice their techniques and test their reflexes before they ever see a patient.

A. plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses in the same way that flight simulators do
B. plan difficult operations and develop programs to work for doctors and nurses the same way as with flight simulators
C. to plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses like flight simulators
D. plan difficult operations and in developing programs to work for doctors and nurses the same way as flight simulators
E. to plan difficult operations and developing programs that will work for doctors and nurses like flight simulators do


Researchers are the main subject here. They are trying to do 2 things : use computer images and develop programs.
These 2 need to be in parallel. Therefore the correct options should have "to help" and "to develop" .
This leaves us with option A and C.

Action of doctors : planning of difficult operations is not action of Researchers and need not be parallel. Hence to plan is wrong.
Hence OA is A
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Researchers are using computer images to help surgeons plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses in the same way that flight simulators do for pilots, letting medical personnel practice their techniques and test their reflexes before they ever see a patient.

A. plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses in the same way that flight simulators do
B. plan difficult operations and develop programs to work for doctors and nurses the same way as with flight simulators
C. to plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses like flight simulators
D. plan difficult operations and in developing programs to work for doctors and nurses the same way as flight simulators
E. to plan difficult operations and developing programs that will work for doctors and nurses like flight simulators do


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gmat sc make us solve meaning problem. if we anticipate this job, we feel more easy.
when reading the original choice, I see "develop" should paralel with one of two preceding verbs. this is meaning problem we have to solve. with this focus on meaing in mind, we proceed to find meaning erroe and at the same time structural errors will jump before us. focusing on meaning, we find not only structural error, but also meaning error. if we do not focus on meaning, we find only structural errors not meaning error and fail because meaning errors are main point tested.
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In the original sentence " plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses in the same way that flight simulators do", the idiom is in the same way that. Shouldn't the idiom be in the same way as?


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In the original sentence " plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses in the same way that flight simulators do", the idiom is in the same way that. Shouldn't the idiom be in the same way as?


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Both would be OK.

Using "that" introduces a modifier referring to the noun "way". The pronoun "that" is used to replace "the same way". The structure is: Flight simulators work (do) for pilots the same way.
Using "as" introduces a comparison between " that will work for doctors and nurses" and " flight simulators do(work) for pilots".

Both conveys the correct meaning.
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I understand why the answer is A but I've a small query. Can someone please shed light on it.

Why can't it be " To help surgeons plan and develop"?
Isn't this what the researchers are ultimately doing? They are helping and how they are helping: by planning and by developing
Please tell me where i am going wrong

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I understand why the answer is A but I've a small query. Can someone please shed light on it.

Why can't it be " To help surgeons plan and develop"?
Isn't this what the researchers are ultimately doing? They are helping and how they are helping: by planning and by developing

Hi ashutosh, when you say: ..To help surgeons plan and develop..
- This means that ultimately surgeons are planning and developing <something>; So, here, what you intend to depict is that researchers are using computer images to help surgeons accomplish these two things (plan and develop). But this interpretation is illogical; surgeons are not developing programs that will work for doctors and nurses.

The intended meaning is that computer images are being used (by researchers) to do two things:
i) help surgeons plan difficult operations and
ii) develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses

Hence, help and develop are logically similar parts of the sentence. So, they must be grammatically similar. Since to help is in the non-underlined portion, we can't change it. Using to develop ensures that the sentence does not have the meaning interpretation issue wherein it could be interpreted as if the surgeons are accomplishing these two things.

Reiterating, if we omit the to with develop, the sentence would be: ..to help surgeons plan and develop... The grammatical similarity between plan and develop would convey the meaning that surgeons are doing these two things; not the intended meaning (after all, surgeons are supposed to just plan/perform operations :) ).

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is the idiom correct in this sentence? --- in the same way that flight simulators do....should it not be in the same way as flight simulators do...
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is the idiom correct in this sentence? --- in the same way that flight simulators do....should it not be in the same way as flight simulators do...


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is the idiom correct in this sentence? --- in the same way that flight simulators do....should it not be in the same way as flight simulators do...


Both the usages - "in the same way that" and "in the same way as" are correct.

Important is to understand the function of "That" and "As"

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Researchers are using computer images to help surgeons plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses in the same way that flight simulators do for pilots, letting medical personnel practice their techniques and test their reflexes before they ever see a patient.

A. plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses in the same way that flight simulators do
B. plan difficult operations and develop programs to work for doctors and nurses the same way as with flight simulators
C. to plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses like flight simulators
D. plan difficult operations and in developing programs to work for doctors and nurses the same way as flight simulators
E. to plan difficult operations and developing programs that will work for doctors and nurses like flight simulators do


Look at the sentence Researchers are using X to help Y in the same way that A do B. .Only A and E , maintain this structure.
Similarly, in parallel structure is broken, to help surgeons || to develop programs.....




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B,C,D and E are grammatically incorrect, so they are out. A is grammatically correct, so answer is A. Remember, grammatical rules supersede aesthetics rules (like awkwardness, wordiness etc.)
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Thanks....
I had marked D... GOt my doubts cleared.. :-D

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A. plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses in the same way that flight simulators do OK
B. plan difficult operations and develop programs to work for doctors and nurses the same way as with flight simulators Researchers are using computer images to develop programs, not the surgeons;"as with flight simulators do" is not grammatically correct.
C. to plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses like flight simulators "to help surgeons to plan operations" <> to help surgeons plan.
D. plan difficult operations and in developing programs to work for doctors and nurses the same way as flight simulators "in developing" is not parallel with "to help"
E. to plan difficult operations and developing programs that will work for doctors and nurses like flight simulators do "developing" is parallel with "to help"; "like" cannot contain a verb

Splits:
to develop vs. develop vs. developing - sentence must be parallel logically and structurally, so infinitive is needed.
like...do vs. like vs. in the same way that - a verb is used or not used depending on the comparative clause indicator.
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Hi sayantanc2k

Easy A.

However, need to know the acceptable use of the following Idiom for future

Is it

"to help to plan"
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both acceptable?

is this a split on this question?

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Easy A.

However, need to know the acceptable use of the following Idiom for future

Is it

"to help to plan"
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"to help plan"
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both acceptable?

is this a split on this question?

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Both are acceptable. As per Manhattan SC guide, "help in planning" would be wrong, but "help plan", "help to plan", "help surgeons to plan", " help surgeons plan" all are correct.
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I do not get how computer images are used to help develop computer programmes. How can computer images help someone to develop a program ?
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I do not get how computer images are used to help develop computer programmes. How can computer images help someone to develop a program ?


May be computer images are providing me sufficient clues that I could use to develop any program.

Think like a data scientist, you see huge volumes of data and then find solutions/programs or determine regressions for forecasting. I hope that makes sense. :)
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Researchers are using computer images to help surgeons plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses in the same way that flight simulators do for pilots, letting medical personnel practice their techniques and test their reflexes before they ever see a patient.

A. plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses in the same way that flight simulators do
B. plan difficult operations and develop programs to work for doctors and nurses the same way as with flight simulators
C. to plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses like flight simulators
D. plan difficult operations and in developing programs to work for doctors and nurses the same way as flight simulators
E. to plan difficult operations and developing programs that will work for doctors and nurses like flight simulators do


A) Correct.
B) "Develop" lacks "to" before it, so the elements of the sentence are not parallel.
C) "Like" is incorrect in this case--"like" can make comparisons, but cannot introduce a clause as this situation demands. The clause, in this case, is "as flight simulators do."
D) "Plan" and "in developing" are not parallel.
E) "To plan" and "developing" are not parallel.
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Imo A
The correct idiom here is "to help X "
We have to maintain parallelism of the infinitive
So only option A does that .
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I picked E on this one because I interpreted the meaning of the sentence to be that "researchers are using images to help the surgeons plans operations and are developing programs that will work for doctors/nurses like flight simulators do for pilots......"

why is this an incorrect interpretation of the meaning?


Exactly same thought as mine.

option A appears to me indicating the following whose meaning is incorrect:

Researchers are using computer images to help surgeons plan difficult operations and are using computer images to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses in the same way that flight simulators do for pilots, letting medical personnel practice their techniques and test their reflexes before they ever see a patient.

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