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Restorers say that if allowed to remove and replace the discolored layer of varnish on the Mona Lisa, the colors Leonardo da Vinci painted nearly five hundred years ago will once again shine through.

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Restorers say that if allowed to remove and replace the discolored layer of varnish on the Mona Lisa, the colors Leonardo da Vinci painted nearly five hundred years ago will once again shine through.

A. If
B. if it is
C. if they are
D. when
E. when it is

If ____ then ______

Mike Mc Garry Sir based on the wisdom that you gave me here.

Clause after If is a Subordinate Clause
Clause after then is an Independent Clause.

In Option A we need a full clause i.e. S-V pair and that is not happening in that option, therefore, Option A is wrong.
Options B & C have a full clause after If, but In option B it doesn't agree in number with the plural subject restorers, thus, C is correct.

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OA: C

They have used a split when, can you guide me how is when used in D and E and what is the similarity between If__then__ and when that they have created this split.

Dear RichaChampion,
I'm happy to respond. :-) My Magoosh job affords me a little time to attend to GMAT Club.

The word "if" is a subordinate conjunction, a word that begins a subordinate clause. It must have a full clause after it, BUT sometimes that clause can be implied rather than explicitly stated. Thus, technically, (A) is not grammatically wrong, because it implies the subject/verb pair (... say that if [they are] allowed to ....). It is simply too casual. It doesn't sound formal.

You are correct that (B) change the number, and (C) of course is correct.

(D)-(E) contain the "when" split about which you are asking.

The word "when" is another subordinate conjunction. The difference is in connotation. Consider these two statements.
1) I will give my sister a gift if she visits me.
2) I will give my sister a gift when she visits me.
These are both grammatically correct but have different connotations. The first implies that the visit of my sister is uncertain: she may or may not visit, and I don't know which will happen. If she does visit, then I have a gift for her, but it's not clear at all what will happen to this gift if my sister doesn't visit. Statement #1 is a statement full of uncertainty about how the future will play out.
By contrast, in #2, we confidently can infer two separate facts about the future. It is confidently asserted that my sister will visit: that is not in doubt. It is also confidently assert that, when she is here, I will give her a gift: that is not in doubt either. Statement #2 is a statement of crystal clear certainty.

In much the same way, (A)-(C) imply that we do not know whether the restorers will be "allowed to remove and replace the discolored layer of varnish on the Mona Lisa." There is uncertainty about the future in the "if" construction. The restorers may or may not ever receive this permission, and these changes to the painting may or may not ever take place. We have no idea how it will turn out. Nothing in sentence gives us any insight into how things will unfold.

The "when" construction in (D)-(E) replace the uncertainty with utter certainty. This version implies that we know for a fact that the restorer will be allowed at some point to make these changes, and that the painting definitely will be changed in the manner described. This is a HUGE change in meaning, a change from uncertainty about the future to complete certainty about it.

Does all this make sense?
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In the given sentence it is not clear 'who' is 'allowed to remove....'
Only in option C, it is clearly mentioned 'if they are allowed to remove...' Here 'they' refers back to Restorers.
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Could someone help with this one, why could not B - "If it is" be correct answer? I mean, why could not we use "It is" in the same way as "It is easy/difficult/essential to...", in which cases "it" does not really have any antecedent?

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Grammatically the sentence would be correct, but the meaning would be wrong. The sentence would mean that if it is generally (by law) allowed.
However the original meaning is if the restorers are allowed.

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Hi sayantanc2k,

Thanks for your response :-) I have one more question for this, how can we determine which one is the original meaning when both choices are grammatically correct? Is it because in common sense we do not consider the removement and replacement are illegal actions, or are there any other reasons for this?

Thanks for helping me!


I find your query difficult to answer since in general it is not required to use external knowledge to answer a GMAT SC question - let me try to explain in this way:

Consider this sentence:

" If I am allowed to play, our team will win"

The above sentence automatically means that if I am allowed to play, I WILL play.

Now consider the following:

" If it is allowed for me to play, our team would win"

This sentence is slightly awkward because this sentence does not convey the meaning that I would play - it just states that there is no bar against my playing.

I am not sure whether I could explain the difference, but this is the best I could try.

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egmat, mikemc, or any other expert can please explain why choice B is wrong and why in option C they can not refer to colors.


B is incorrect because IT doesn't have a clear antecedent...

Why they in (C) can not refer to colour !!

Consider for the time being that they refers to Colour so thee sentence becomes -

Quote:
Restorers say that if colors are allowed to remove and replace the discolored layer of varnish on the Mona Lisa, the colors Leonardo da Vinci painted nearly five hundred years ago will once again shine through.


Does it make sense ? No

Whenever in doubt I try to replace the antecedent with the pronoun to check if it fits in there....

Here , color can not logically be the antecedent , so the correct antecedent must refer to Restorers not colors...

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Restorers say that if allowed to remove and replace the discolored layer of varnish on the Mona Lisa, the colors Leonardo da Vinci painted nearly five hundred years ago will once again shine through.


A. If ==> No doer
B. if it is
C. if they are
D. when ==> No doer
E. when it is


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Firs split: S-V agreement.
who is allowed to remove and replace.....? Clearly, the restorers (plural). So B, E are out immediately because of "it".

Second split: Meaning
D and A have same problem, they do not show the doer? Who is allowed to remove and replace? The restorers or someone else?

IMO, C is correct, it tells us the doer-the restorers very clearly.

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I think it should be C as some one is required to remove and replace the colours and C provides us with the same ... hence C
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(A) if
(B) if it is
(C) if they are
(D) when
(E) when it is

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Restorers say that if allowed to remove and replace the discolored layer of varnish on the Mona Lisa, the colors Leonardo da Vinci painted nearly five hundred years ago will once again shine through.
A. If
B. if it is
C. if they are
D. when
E. when it is

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A is incorrect because it is unclear as to who is doing the restoration. Also the sentence is ambiguous without 'they are'.

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Can anyone tell me why A is incorrect?

Well, A actually suggests that if colors are allowed to remove and replace the discolored layer of varnish on the Mona Lisa!

The reason for this interpretation is that if allowed to remove and replace the discolored layer of varnish on the Mona Lisa is a past participial phrase and hence, modifies colors.

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My take : C

their should be a doer responsible for replacing and removing the discoloured layer of varnish.

"they" in C clearly refers to 'restorers'

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This is a ‘first conditional’ topic with an ‘if clause’ that is in present tense followed by the main clause that is in the simple future. However, the catch is that there should be an ‘if clause’ with a verb and not an ‘if phrase’ with an Ed modifier.
That is the reason, A and D are out. B and E have SV error. Finally, therefore, C remains.
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The sentence as written contains a dangling modifier, so beloved of the test makers. The structure is “… if allowed…., the colors…”. In the part of the sentence before the comma there is no mention of who or what is allowed. “Restorers” are allowed. You could correct the sentence by placing “restorers” or a pronoun to refer to them, such as “they”, immediately after the comma. The other way to correct the sentence, as has been done here, is to mention “they” in the first part of the sentence.
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Could someone help with this one, why could not B - "If it is" be correct answer? I mean, why could not we use "It is" in the same way as "It is easy/difficult/essential to...", in which cases "it" does not really have any antecedent?

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Hi sayantanc2k,

Thanks for your response :-) I have one more question for this, how can we determine which one is the original meaning when both choices are grammatically correct? Is it because in common sense we do not consider the removement and replacement are illegal actions, or are there any other reasons for this?

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Restorers say that if allowed to remove and replace the discolored layer of varnish on the Mona Lisa, the colors Leonardo da Vinci painted nearly five hundred years ago will once again shine through.

A. If
B. if it is
C. if they are
D. when
E. when it is


beautifull question.

in this phrase: if allowed ... the collors.....through

"if allowed" refer/modifies the subject of main clause, "collors" grammatically. So, this modification is not logic. if we realize the grammatical role of "if allowed", the problem become simple.

we have to realize grammatical role of each phrase in the original sentence before we justify whether these grammatical roles are logic.

we do not need a time relation here. so, "when" is not logic. we need a condition relation. "if ' is better.
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egmat, mikemc, or any other expert ca n please explain why choice B is wrong and why in option C they can not refer to colors.

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Can you please explain the difference between A and C? As per the original sentence, we don't know who will remove or replace. Is it ok to change the meaning while we rectify the grammatical error in A?

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Can you please explain the difference between A and C? As per the original sentence, we don't know who will remove or replace. Is it ok to change the meaning while we rectify the grammatical error in A?

I don't think the sentence makes any sense at all in (A), for exactly the reason you mention: in (A), it's not clear who is doing the removing and replacing. If anything, it sounds like (A) is literally saying that "the colors" would remove and replace the discolored layer of varnish, and that really doesn't work.

(C) is clear as a bell: "they" has to refer back to "restorers", so now we know exactly who's performing the action.

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