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Rock samples taken from the remains of an asteroid about twice the size of the 6-mile-wide asteroid that eradicated the dinosaurs has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is evidence of the earliest known asteroid impact on Earth.

(A) has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is
(B) has been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus
(C) have been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus are
(D) have been dated as being 3.47 billion years old and thus
(E) have been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus are

Agreement; Idiom

The plural subject of this sentence, Rock samples, requires plural verb phrases—have been dated and are rather than has been dated and is. The idiomatic way of expressing estimation of age is with the phrase dated at.

(A) The subject and verbs do not agree; dated to be … is not idiomatic.

(B) The subject and verb do not agree; the conjunction and thus should be followed by a verb.

(C) Dated to be is not idiomatic.

(D) As being is not idiomatic; the conjunction and thus should be followed by a verb.

(E) Correct. The plural verbs match the plural subject, and the wording of the sentence is idiomatic.

The correct answer is E.
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Concept tested: Idioms, SV agreement
Difficulty Level: Moderate
Illustration: “Rock samples” is the subject for the verb “has been dated”. Rock samples must take a plural verb.
So A and B can be instantly eliminated.
Dated at is the correct idiomatic construction.
So C and D are also eliminated
E is the correct answer choice

Tip: Though “dated at” is preferred to “dated to be”, the same construction is not necessarily true for “estimated at” and “estimated to be” construction.
“Estimated at” should be followed by a noun because “at” is a preposition.
E.g: The molten iron is estimated at 1500 degrees Celsius.
“Estimated to be” generally follows phrases
E.g: The fossil is estimated to be 1000 years old.

This is NOT a specific English rule, but the way GMAT wants things to be
Support is given by:
In OG 12, Q 27 of SC, it says that the correct idiom is "estimated to be".
However this question appears in gmatprep
"With surface temperatures estimated at minus 230 degrees Farenheit, Jupiter's moon Europa has long been considered far too cold to support life, and with 60 square miles of water though to be frozen from top to bottom."

We can see from the non underlined part that "estimated at" is also as correct idiom.
Takeaway: Same rules do not apply to "estimated to be" and "dated to be"
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I know that " rock samples" is the subject of the sentence. I need some perfection in eliminating middlemen to find the subject and verb of a sentence. " the size" is between "about twice" and "of the 6-mile asteroid". how should I eliminate " the size".

The method i followed is "about twice the size of the 6-mile-wide asteroid " is a prepositional phrase. Is this correct.

The correct answer is E not C. "dated at" is the correct idiom

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Rock samples taken from the remains of an asteroid about twice the size of the 6-mile-wide asteroid that eradicated the dinosaurs has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is evidence of the earliest known asteroid impact on Earth.

(A) has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is
(B) has been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus
(C) have been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus are
(D) have been dated as being 3.47 billion years old and thus
(E) have been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus are

All part in red are wrong with respect to idioms and subject verb agreement. E is correct. Hope this helps..!!
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Rock samples taken from the remains of an asteroid about twice the size of the 6-mile-wide asteroid that eradicated the dinosaurs has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is evidence of the earliest known asteroid impact on Earth.

(A) has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is
(B) has been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus
(C) have been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus are
(D) have been dated as being 3.47 billion years old and thus
(E) have been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus are ANSWER

The subject 'rock samples' is plural so both the verb after 'dinosaurs', 'have', and the verb before 'evidence', 'are', have to be plural.

The correct idiom is 'dated at.'

Hope that helps :).
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PathFinder007, this difference seems to have been discussed a good deal in the thread. Do you have a specific question about it?

The short answer is that "dated to be" doesn't work. We estimate/believe/prove something "to be" a certain age, but that doesn't work with "date." You could say "I estimate that this rock is 3 billion years old." You couldn't say "I date that this rock is 3 billion years old." It just isn't the same kind of verb. Similarly, you can say "I estimate it to be 3 billion years old" and not "I date it to be 3 billion years old."
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* "at" is a preposition.
* prepositions must be followed by nouns.
* "xxx number of years old" is not a noun.
so, wrong.

in the other example -- "temperatures estimated at xxxx degrees fahrenheit" -- there's no problem, because "xxxx degrees fahrenheit" is a noun.

i don't think anything else is happening here.
the OG explanations are wrong fairly regularly (though not in most cases); this is one of those times.


This is what Ron Purewal of Manhattan GMAT has to say about estimated at/to be scenario
Shouldn't the same logic apply to dated at/dated to be as well?
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Rock samples taken from the remains of an asteroid about twice the size of the 6-mile-wide asteroid that eradicated the dinosaurs has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is evidence of the earliest known asteroid impact on Earth.

(A) has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is
(B) has been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus
(C) have been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus are
(D) have been dated as being 3.47 billion years old and thus
(E) have been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus are


As rightly written by @Archillees - SV Agreement error >

Also to note is Difference between C and E
C uses subjunctive form - "to be" which is not required here.
E uses correct idiom "dated at"
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Hi! estimated to be and dated at are both separate and correct idioms.
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Rock samples taken from the remains of an asteroid about twice the size of the 6-mile-wide asteroid that eradicated the dinosaurs has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is evidence of the earliest known asteroid impact on Earth.

(A) has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is
(B) has been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus
(C) have been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus are
(D) have been dated as being 3.47 billion years old and thus
(E) have been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus are


First Glance

The underline starts with the verb has; other answers start with have, so look for subject-verb issues.

Issues

(1) Subject-Verb; has; is

In the original sentence, the subject is the plural rock samples and the verb is the singular has been dated. Mismatch!

A plural subject needs a plural verb; eliminate answers (A) & (B), which both use the singular has. It turns out that the sentence also contains a second verb that goes with the same plural subject: is. Only answer (A) contains this error. The remaining answer use either the plural are or eliminate the verb entirely. (Remember that split for later.)

(2) Idiom: dated to be; dated as being

If you know the correct idiom, you might spot the error in the original sentence. If you don't, a vertical scan reveals that the answers offer three different options: dated to be, dated at, or dated as being.

The correct idiom for estimating the age of something is dated at a certain age. Eliminate answers (A), (C), and (D).

(3) Structure

Tackle the are versus nothing split mentioned in the subject-verb discussion above. (Remember that you already eliminated answer (A) for using is.)

(B), (D): Rock samples have been dated and thus evidence
(C), (E): Rock samples have been dated and thus are evidence

The and creates a parallel construction. Answers (B) and (D) are missing the needed verb are and are therefore sentence fragments; eliminate them

The Correct Answer

Correct answer (E) changes both verbs to the plural form to match the plural subject rock samples. Further, this choice uses the correct idiom, dated at a certain age.
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thank you for quick reply, but i took egamt course and i found that verb ed if preceded by is/was/had then we can call it as verb but if it doesn't have these is/was/had before ed verb then it is modifier. So i found this question and i asked egmat people this question

There seems to be an interpretation issue Rishabh. Let's take this example:

Peter is done with his job.

done is clearly a past participle (and not a verb); did is the simple past tense verb of the verb do.


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Hello Everyone!

Let's tackle this question, one thing at a time, and narrow it down to the correct choice quickly! Here is the original question, with the major differences between each option highlighted in orange:

Rock samples taken from the remains of an asteroid about twice the size of the 6-mile-wide asteroid that eradicated the dinosaurs has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is evidence of the earliest known asteroid impact on Earth.

(A) has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is
(B) has been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus
(C) have been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus are
(D) have been dated as being 3.47 billion years old and thus
(E) have been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus are

After a quick glance over the options, there are a few places we can focus on to narrow down our choices:

1. has been vs. have been (Subject-Verb Agreement)
2. dated to be / at / as being (Idioms)
3. thus is / thus / thus are (Subject-Verb Agreement / Meaning)


Let's start with #1 on our list because it will eliminate 2-3 options right away. This is a matter of subject-verb agreement! If we look closely at the original sentence, we can find the subject:

Rock samples taken from the remains of an asteroid about twice the size of the 6-mile-wide asteroid that eradicated the dinosaurs has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is evidence of the earliest known asteroid impact on Earth.

We see that the subject "rock samples" is plural, which means we need to use a plural verb to match:

(A) has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is
(B) has been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus
(C) have been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus are
(D) have been dated as being 3.47 billion years old and thus
(E) have been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus are

We can eliminate options A & B because they use a singular verb with a plural subject, which doesn't match.

Now that we have it narrowed down to only 3 options, let's tackle #2 on our list: idiom structure. Whenever we say that an item is "dated" a certain age, there is a particular way to word it. We typically say that something is "dated at" a certain age! Let's take a closer look:

(C) have been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus are --> not idiomatically correct = WRONG
(D) have been dated as being 3.47 billion years old and thus --> not idiomatically correct = WRONG
(E) have been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus are --> idiomatically correct = CORRECT


There you have it - option E is the correct choice! It's the only one that uses proper subject-verb agreement and proper idiom formatting!


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Rock samples taken from the remains of an asteroid about twice the size of the 6-mile-wide asteroid that eradicated the dinosaurs has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is evidence of the earliest known asteroid impact on Earth.

(A) has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is
(B) has been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus
(C) have been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus are
(D) have been dated as being 3.47 billion years old and thus
(E) have been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus are


As rightly written by @Archillees - SV Agreement error >

Also to note is Difference between C and E
C uses subjunctive form - "to be" which is not required here.
E uses correct idiom "dated at"


Hey,
"to be" is neither used as a command subjunctive nor used as a hypothetical subjunctive.
For them you need special command verbs like demand, order, require etc.
They are popularly known as "bossy verbs"
Hypothetical subjunctive, as the name suggests, uses hypothetical constructions such as "were", "would" etc.

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Rock samples taken from the remains of an asteroid about twice the size of the 6-mile-wide asteroid that eradicated the dinosaurs has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is evidence of the earliest known asteroid impact on Earth.

The modifier in bold red it modifying - remains of asteroid or asteroid. Also is this modified "adjective phase". If so should it have a comma before it or not?
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Rock samples taken from the remains of an asteroid about twice the size of the 6-mile-wide asteroid that eradicated the dinosaurs has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is evidence of the earliest known asteroid impact on Earth.

The modifier in bold red it modifying - remains of asteroid or asteroid. Also is this modified "adjective phase". If so should it have a comma before it or not?


Hi, :)

Note that the highlighted portion doesn’t entirely consist of a single modifier.

I suggest you analyze the sentence structure to understand the role played by each element.

    Rock samples taken from the remains of an asteroid about twice the size of the 6-mile-wide asteroid
      o that eradicated the dinosaurs
    has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and
    thus is evidence of the earliest known asteroid impact on Earth.

The highlighted modifier presents a comparison with another “asteroid”.

So it would be logical to presume that the entire modifier is modifying “asteroid”, not “remains”.

Since this modifier is used to modify a noun, we can call it a “Noun Modifier”.

Observe that the modifier is in the non-underlined portion of the official sentence and so it should be correct as such.

Of course, enclosing it in a comma pair won’t make it incorrect. However, it would be unnecessary.

Hope this helps! :)

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I'm studying with the 2015 Official Guide and the very last question (#140) of the sentence correction section is this:

Rock samples taken from the remains of an asteroid about twice the size of the 6-mile-wide asteroid that eradicated the dinosaurs has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is evidence of the earliest known asteroid impact on Earth.

the correct answer was "have been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus are."

I've always thought of this phrase to be "dated to be XXX years old." For anyone who's seen similar questions, does GMAT treat "dated at" as the correct idiom at all times?

(There is a similar question that uses the word "estimated," but this one states "estimated to be XYZ years old" to be the correct answer. )
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I'm studying with the 2015 Official Guide and the very last question (#140) of the sentence correction section is this:

Rock samples taken from the remains of an asteroid about twice the size of the 6-mile-wide asteroid that eradicated the dinosaurs has been dated to be 3.47 billion years old and thus is evidence of the earliest known asteroid impact on Earth.

the correct answer was "have been dated at 3.47 billion years old and thus are."

I've always thought of this phrase to be "dated to be XXX years old." For anyone who's seen similar questions, does GMAT treat "dated at" as the correct idiom at all times?

(There is a similar question that uses the word "estimated," but this one states "estimated to be XYZ years old" to be the correct answer. )

Dear daysandhours,
I'm happy to respond. :-)

The idiom "dated at" is 100% correct and favored by the GMAT, whereas "dated to be" is awkward and unidiomatic. I discuss this in this blog:
https://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/gmat-prep ... potpourri/

You may find helpful our free GMAT Idiom ebook:
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This information is also available in free Flash Card form:
https://gmat.magoosh.com/flashcards/idioms

Does all this make sense?
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I'm happy to jump in here. :-) Yes, as EducationAisle, the idioms "dated at" and "estimate X to be" are 100% valid GMAT idioms. These and many more are included in our free GMAT Idiom Flashcards.
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