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Year, OA is C, and with a BIG question WHY? in my head :-D


B - a ratio that compares to 42 times (of What?)
C avoids that confusion.
However I am not comfortable with CEO's
Is it CEOs ? If yes then then we have 'their' problem in C.
If No, then the sentence does not make sense to me.
....., on average, CEO’s now earn
....., on average, CEOs now earn
I see some difference here..but cannot expln what it is..can anyone help ..Thanks :-D



We are comparing between ratio nowadays and ratio in 1980. Ok, INDICATES need THAT followed. => Rule out D, E.

A:ratio of 42 times in 1980. , B: 42 times ("of" what) in 1980. ==> Eliminate A, B.
C:AS compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio in 1980.
C containS AS. C has only problem with THEIR but can be ACCEPTABLE and C is also the best choice among 5 choices.
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A recent review of pay scales indicates that CEO's now earn an average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, compared to a ratio of 42 times in 1990.

b. that, on average, CEO's now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, a ratio that compares to 42 times.
c. that, on average, CEO's now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio
d. CEo's who now earn on average 419 time more pay than blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio
e. CEO's now earning an average of 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, compared to the ratio of 42 times


Between A and B, I would go with A.
Actually I prefer to repeat " a ratio" in B than just say "compared to 42 times" in A, but the reason I didn't choose B is because B uses "compares" rather than "compared", I think the passive voice "the ratio is compared" is better than the active voice "the ratio compares" in this case.
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A. that CEO’s now earn an average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, compared to a ratio of 42 times
B. that, on average, CEO’s now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, a ratio that compares to 42 times
C. that, on average, CEO’s now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio
D. CEO’s who now earn on average 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio

passive 'CEO' is inappropriate here -- so A,B,C,D are out. C and D also have ambiguous pronoun 'their'

E. CEO’s now earning an average of 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, compared to the ratio of 42 times
E is correct.


(E) does not make sense because the sentence leaves you hanging.

"A recent review of pay scales indicates CEOs now earning [X amount], compared to the ratio in 1980..." - this is not correct.

You could say "A recent review of pay scales indicates CEOs now earn [X amount].." - that's OK. But (E) uses "earning" instead of simply "earn" - so (E) is no good.

You can see the explanation for this question here: https://www.gmatpill.com/gmat-practice-t ... question/7
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A recent review of pay scales indicates that CEO's now earn an average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, compared to a ratio of 42 times in 1980

that CEO's now earn an average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, compared to a ratio of 42 times.
Three errors:
Meaning : CEO's earn what - an average of something or money - an average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers: nonsensical. {YES/NO}
Idiom : X times more pay than Y , should be X times of Y {YES/NO}
Modifier : blue-collar workers, compared to blah blah... compared is a ed-modifier modifying workers: wrong {YES/NO}

that, on average, CEO's now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, a ratio that compares to 42 times.
Meaning : a ratio that compares to 42 times; ratio 419:1 compares to 42:1 of 1980 .... compares what ? incomplete meaning. {YES/NO}

that, on average, CEO's now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio.
Modifier : the pay of blue-collar workers, as compared .... the pay of xx, as compared to workers pay compared is modifying the pay and this modification is acceptable thus here it is fine.
Absolute phrase : The ratio in 1980 someway modifies the proceeding modifier's object 42:1 in 1980.
Correct sentence.

CEO's who now earn on average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio.
Meaning : A recent review of pay scales indicates NOUN CEO's : wrong
Meaning : CEO's who earn , limiting the scope of meaning to CEO's who earn earn blah blah... original meaning covers all CEO's in GENERAL. {YES/NO}
Meaning : who now earn on average of something or money - an average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers: nonsensical. {YES/NO}
Idiom : X times more pay than Y , should be X times of Y {YES/NO}
Modifier : than blue-collar workers, compared to blah blah... compared is a ed-modifier modifying workers: wrong {YES/NO}

CEO's now (modifier) earning an average of 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, compared to the ratio of 42 times
Meaning : A recent review of pay scales indicates NOUN CEO's : wrong
Meaning : earning an average of something or money - an average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers: nonsensical. {YES/NO}
Idiom : X times more pay than Y , should be X times of Y {YES/NO}
Modifier: the pay ..., compared (OK) but comparison is not right 419 times the pay != the ratio of 42 times
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Anyone chose answer E for this question. IMO the 1st phrase is clearly written "CEO's earning an average of 419 times the pay of blue collar workers" + the 2nd phrase functioned rightly "compared to the ratio of specific number"

I could not even detect the grammatical error in answer E, can anyone help me on this?
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C says the exact same thing as B about the relationship between current CEO and employee pay, so there's no reason to pick one over the other on that basis. However, B goes on to say that this ratio "compares to 42 times in 1980." This isn't clear at all. What does it mean that the ratio compares to something? What are the 42 times?

C clears this up by making a comparison between the current ratio (419:1) and the 1980 ratio (42:1). There's no pronoun ambiguity, since CEO's could never have earned 42 times their own pay!
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Dear mikemcgarry, GMATNinja, sayantanc2k

this question has been discussed many times, but I still need your help to clarify " 's", although it is not the key approach, it does confuse me a lot , therefore I wasted a lot of time to check the construction of the answer choice.
at first I thought "earn" is verb in the clause, but later, I don't think so. i have no idea that " 's" is possessive or abbreviation of " is "
C version:
that, on average, CEO’s now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio
if " 's" is possessive, then i think "earn" is noun, so i can't find the verb,
If " 's" is abbreviation of " is", then choice C is illogical, because CEO cannot be earn,
If "earn" is a verb, then why is "CEO's" , not "CEOs"

because I sunk into this confusion, i waste a lot of time.

Genuinely need your help.
Thanks in advance
Have a nice day.
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A, B, and E: 42 times in 1980
“42 times WHAT VALUE in 1980”?
Eliminate A, B and E.
D: “A recent review indicates CEO's”
Not the intended meaning: the review doesn't indicate the CEO'S THEMSELVES.
Rather, the review indicates an ACTION, as conveyed by the OA:
“that, on average, CEO’s now EARN 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers”.
Eliminate D.

The correct answer is C.
“as compared to” conveys essentially the same meaning as “in contrast to”.
The meaning conveyed by the OA is as follows:
“419 times the pay of blue-collar workers is IN CONTRAST TO 42 times their pay, the ratio in 1980.”
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A recent review of pay scales indicates that CEO's now earn an average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, compared to a ratio of 42 times in 1990.

A. that CEO's now earn an average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, compared to a ratio of 42 times

B. that, on average, CEO's now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, a ratio that compares to 42 times.

C. that, on average, CEO's now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio

D. CEo's who now earn on average 419 time more pay than blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio

E. CEO's now earning an average of 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, compared to the ratio of 42 times


Reached answer using POE .

A. that CEO's now earn an average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, compared to a ratio of 42 times
The highlighted phrase is constructed wrongly here. 42 times what ?

B. that, on average, CEO's now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, a ratio that compares to 42 times.
Same as in A

C. that, on average, CEO's now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio
modifier used here is correct.

D. CEo's who now earn on average 419 time more pay than blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio
'that' is required

E. CEO's now earning an average of 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, compared to the ratio of 42 times
'that' is required. Modifier is wrong.
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A recent review of pay scales indicates that CEO's now earn an average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, compared to a ratio of 42 times in 1990.

A. that CEO's now earn an average of 419 times more pay than blue- collar workers, compared to a ratio of 42 times-- comparing pay with blue collar workers and with a ratio of 42 times.


b. that, on average, CEO's now earns 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, a ratio that compares to 42 times.--- compared to 42 times may mean compared to 42 occasions.

c. that, on average, CEO's now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio --- now 419 times the pay is compared to 42 times the pay; see the proper comparison. ---- correct choice

d. CEO's who now earn on average 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio -- This is a reported speech; 'that ' is missing.

e. CEO's now earning an average of 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, compared to the ratio of 42 times--- same error as in D

Pointless to break one's head whether 419 times more pay means 420 times as much pay and so on.
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Anyone chose answer E for this question. IMO the 1st phrase is clearly written "CEO's earning an average of 419 times the pay of blue collar workers" + the 2nd phrase functioned rightly "compared to the ratio of specific number"

I could not even detect the grammatical error in answer E, can anyone help me on this?



Hello tringuyenminh293,


I will be glad to help you out with one. :-)

Following is the sentence with Choice E:

A recent review of pay scales indicates CEO’s now earning an average of 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, compared to the ratio of 42 times in 1980.


Per this choice, a recent review indicates CEO's. This is not what the original sentence says.

The original sentence intends to say that the review indicates something about the earnings of the CEO's.

Absence of that after indicates creates this anomaly in meaning. So Choice E stands incorrect.

Hope this helps. :-)
Thanks.
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Dear mikemcgarry, GMATNinja, sayantanc2k

this question has been discussed many times, but I still need your help to clarify " 's", although it is not the key approach, it does confuse me a lot , therefore I wasted a lot of time to check the construction of the answer choice.
at first I thought "earn" is verb in the clause, but later, I don't think so. i have no idea that " 's" is possessive or abbreviation of " is "
C version:
that, on average, CEO’s now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio
if " 's" is possessive, then i think "earn" is noun, so i can't find the verb,
If " 's" is abbreviation of " is", then choice C is illogical, because CEO cannot be earn,
If "earn" is a verb, then why is "CEO's" , not "CEOs"

because I sunk into this confusion, i waste a lot of time.

Genuinely need your help.
Thanks in advance
Have a nice day.
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Hi zoezhuyan!

You are absolutely correct here -- the apostrophe is incorrect in all these cases. All of the answer choices should say "CEOs", not "CEO's". We only use an apostrophe when we're implying possessive, or "is". Neither of those are the case here. So this is a mistake in the question. Good catch!

Hope that helps :-)
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A recent review of pay scales indicates that CEO's now earn an average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, compared to a ratio of 42 times in 1980.

(A) that CEO's now earn an average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, compared to a ratio of 42 times

(B) that, on average, CEO's now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, a ratio that compares to 42 times

(C) that, on average, CEO's now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio

(D) CEO's who now earn on average 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio

(E) CEO's now earning an average of 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, compared to the ratio of 42 times



A recent review of pay scales indicates that CEO’s now earn an average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, compared to a ratio of 42 times in 1980.

A. that CEO’s now earn an average of 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, compared to a ratio of 42 times
PROBLEM: It's not "a ratio of 42 times" (which doesn't mean anything). Also, "419 times more pay" is awkward.

B. that, on average, CEO’s now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, a ratio that compares to 42 times
PROBLEM: 42 times in 1980? that doesn't make any sense...

C. that, on average, CEO’s now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio
ANSWER: It's not pretty, but there are no actual mistakes here ("their" correctly refers to "workers", and "the ratio..." is correctly modifying "42 times their pay", which is a ratio. This is called an appositive modifier, when a noun modifies a noun.

D. CEO’s who now earn on average 419 times more pay than blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio
PROBLEM: You need "that" after "indicate".

E. CEO’s now earning an average of 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, compared to the ratio of 42 times
PROBLEM: You need "that". This sentence also isn't complete, and the comparison is wrong.

Hope that helps!

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Can't their in the third option refer back to both CEO's and blue-collar workers?
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Yes prav04, but pronoun ambiguity should never be the sole reason to eliminate an answer choice.

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how do we gain comfort with the "their" in choice C?
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how do we gain comfort with the "their" in choice C?

Well, one could argue that their is technically ambiguous, for their can refer to pay scales or to blue-collar workers.

From the context however, it is very clear that their should only refer to blue-collar workers.

It needs to be noted that pronoun ambiguity should generally not be a reason to eliminate an answer choice.
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