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Samuel is obviously a bad fisherman. During the past season, in which he and the five members of his team spent four months on a boat together off Dutch Harbor, AK, he caught fewer fish than any of his teammates.

Which of the following, if true, most weakens the argument above?

A) Two seasons ago, Samuel fished on another boat off Dutch Harbor and caught more fish than any other member of that boat.
B) Before becoming a fisherman, Samuel piloted a fishing boat whose members regularly caught record numbers of fish.
C) While fishing this past season, Samuel fell sick for a week and did not catch any fish during this time.
D) Unlike the other fishermen on his boat, at the order of the captain, Samuel fished this past season with experimental bait.
E) Amongst the fishing community in Dutch Harbor, Samuel has a reputation for being an especially bad fisherman.

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08 Feb 2013, 11:51
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Samuel is obviously a bad fisherman. During the past season, in which he and the five members of his team spent four months on a boat together off Dutch Harbor, AK, he caught fewer fish than any of his teammates.

Which of the following, if true, most weakens the argument above?

A) Two seasons ago, Samuel fished on another boat off Dutch Harbor and caught more fish than any other member of that boat.
B) Before becoming a fisherman, Samuel piloted a fishing boat whose members regularly caught record numbers of fish.
C) While fishing this past season, Samuel fell sick for a week and did not catch any fish during this time.
D) Unlike the other fishermen on his boat, at the order of the captain, Samuel fished this past season with experimental bait.
E) Amongst the fishing community in Dutch Harbor, Samuel has a reputation for being an especially bad fisherman.

Since you are supposed to find the choice that weakens the argument that says that Samuel is a bad fisherman, find for something that can claim to be a difference maker between Samuel and other fishermen.
C and D come as top contenders but since one week is quite short of a time, so D is probably the answer.
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Premise : Samuel caught fewer fish than any of his teammates during the past season.

Conclusion : Samuel is a bad fisherman.

D states clearly that Samuel had to use an experimental bait the past season unlike his teammates. Thus, in one hand , this explains why he caught fewer fish than his teammates due probably to the use of the experimental bait and in the other hand that Samuel is not a bad fisherman.
So D weakens the argument properly.

C states that Samuel felt sick during one week ( this could weakens the argument if the time taken in the past season were a week but nothing in the argument said that)
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08 Feb 2013, 18:36
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CharuKapoor wrote:
Samuel is obviously a bad fisherman. During the past season, in which he and the five members of his team spent four months on a boat together off Dutch Harbor, AK, he caught fewer fish than any of his teammates.

Which of the following, if true, most weakens the argument above?

A) Two seasons ago, Samuel fished on another boat off Dutch Harbor and caught more fish than any other member of that boat.
B) Before becoming a fisherman, Samuel piloted a fishing boat whose members regularly caught record numbers of fish.
C) While fishing this past season, Samuel fell sick for a week and did not catch any fish during this time.
D) Unlike the other fishermen on his boat, at the order of the captain, Samuel fished this past season with experimental bait.
E) Amongst the fishing community in Dutch Harbor, Samuel has a reputation for being an especially bad fisherman.

Since you are supposed to find the choice that weakens the argument that says that Samuel is a bad fisherman, find for something that can claim to be a difference maker between Samuel and other fishermen.
C and D come as top contenders but since one week is quite short of a time, so D is probably the answer.
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D must be the answer. is the only answer that introduce a good reason that explains why he had a poor fishing

C saya he was sick for a week but the period of fishing was long 4 months.
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I was debating between C and D, and ultimately picked C.
C-was unable to fish for 1 week.
D-used experimental bait. You have to assume that the experimental bait was worse than the original bait.

Does someone have the official answer?
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13 Nov 2013, 04:13
I am bit confused about the OA.
If every fishermen will get the same bait, then only conclusion will hold true that Sam is a bad fisherman.

I think C is the best weakner.
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03 Jan 2014, 17:42
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I was debating between C and D, and ultimately picked C.
C-was unable to fish for 1 week.
D-used experimental bait. You have to assume that the experimental bait was worse than the original bait.

Does someone have the official answer?

Same here buddy. I though C was stronger

What's the OA brother?

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I was debating between C and D, and ultimately picked C.
C-was unable to fish for 1 week.
D-used experimental bait. You have to assume that the experimental bait was worse than the original bait.

Does someone have the official answer?

Same here buddy. I though C was stronger

What's the OA brother?

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OA is D. I think source is "Kaplan" (not sure how it got hyperlinked, I didn't do it)!

With C, even if Samuel did not fish for 1 week, it is possible he caught more fish in rest of 3 weeks. It is also possible that he caught less fish. But both cases are possible hence C leaves ambiguity.

D clarifies Samuel followed orders of the captain and used experimental bait. It also states that rest of the fisherman on the boat did not follow captain's orders. So they used better baits giving them unfair advantage over Samuel. This means Samuel's bad catch was NOT due to him being bad fisherman. Thus D weakens the argument.

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18 Jan 2014, 10:21
Option D weakens the argument by suggesting an alternative explanation as to why S couldn't catch as many fish as others.It's a possibility that the experimental bait was the reason

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18 Jan 2014, 21:55
CONTEST BETWEEN "C" AND "D"------
I AM TRYING TO THINK DIFFERENT FROM TO SOME OF THE PARTICIPANTS ABOVE....DIFFERENT LOGIC.......

C) While fishing this past season, Samuel fell sick for a week and did not catch any fish during this time.... I ALWAYS WIN 100 METER RACE 1 METER AHEAD OF 4 OTHERS....ONCE I WAS MADE TO RUN 2 METER BEHIND THE REST..... I CAME LAST ... 1 METER BEHIND THE REST 4. CAN SOMEONE SAY ---- YOU WERE ONLY 2% BEHIND BALANCE.... YOU COULD HAVE COVERED BALANCE 98% AND BEATEN ALL.....YOU ARE WEAK AS YOU WERE 1 METER BEHIND BALANCE?

D) Unlike the other fishermen on his boat, at the order of the captain, Samuel fished this past season with experimental bait......WHO SAYS THE EXPERIMENTAL BAIT IS INFERIOR TO THE CONVENTIONAL BAIT ? THIS BAIT WAS IMPORTED AND GIVES 400% SUCCESS IN ALL TRIALS....JUST THAT SAMUEL WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH...

BOTH "C" AND "D" COULD BE RIGHT / WRONG UNDER DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS......
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26 Feb 2014, 06:32
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CONTEST BETWEEN "C" AND "D"------
I AM TRYING TO THINK DIFFERENT FROM TO SOME OF THE PARTICIPANTS ABOVE....DIFFERENT LOGIC.......

C) While fishing this past season, Samuel fell sick for a week and did not catch any fish during this time.... I ALWAYS WIN 100 METER RACE 1 METER AHEAD OF 4 OTHERS....ONCE I WAS MADE TO RUN 2 METER BEHIND THE REST..... I CAME LAST ... 1 METER BEHIND THE REST 4. CAN SOMEONE SAY ---- YOU WERE ONLY 2% BEHIND BALANCE.... YOU COULD HAVE COVERED BALANCE 98% AND BEATEN ALL.....YOU ARE WEAK AS YOU WERE 1 METER BEHIND BALANCE?

D) Unlike the other fishermen on his boat, at the order of the captain, Samuel fished this past season with experimental bait......WHO SAYS THE EXPERIMENTAL BAIT IS INFERIOR TO THE CONVENTIONAL BAIT ? THIS BAIT WAS IMPORTED AND GIVES 400% SUCCESS IN ALL TRIALS....JUST THAT SAMUEL WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH...

BOTH "C" AND "D" COULD BE RIGHT / WRONG UNDER DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS......

can't agree more with semwal. Nowhere its mentioned that the experimental bait was inferior. May it was much better than the usual bait. Would we have similar question on GMAT? There should be unambiguous answer choices.
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26 Feb 2014, 23:19
C; sounds reasonable. but it doesnt tell us whether the other fishermen were sick or not and for how long.
D; tells us that there was a valid reason behind samue's catch being poor when compared with others'.

D is the better option
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05 Dec 2014, 07:31
Should we IGNORE option-A because it's not relevant to present (this past) season?

Marcab wrote:
CharuKapoor wrote:
Samuel is obviously a bad fisherman. During the past season, in which he and the five members of his team spent four months on a boat together off Dutch Harbor, AK, he caught fewer fish than any of his teammates.

Which of the following, if true, most weakens the argument above?

A) Two seasons ago, Samuel fished on another boat off Dutch Harbor and caught more fish than any other member of that boat.
B) Before becoming a fisherman, Samuel piloted a fishing boat whose members regularly caught record numbers of fish.
C) While fishing this past season, Samuel fell sick for a week and did not catch any fish during this time.
D) Unlike the other fishermen on his boat, at the order of the captain, Samuel fished this past season with experimental bait.
E) Amongst the fishing community in Dutch Harbor, Samuel has a reputation for being an especially bad fisherman.

Since you are supposed to find the choice that weakens the argument that says that Samuel is a bad fisherman, find for something that can claim to be a difference maker between Samuel and other fishermen.
C and D come as top contenders but since one week is quite short of a time, so D is probably the answer.
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08 Jan 2015, 16:37
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CONTEST BETWEEN "C" AND "D"------
I AM TRYING TO THINK DIFFERENT FROM TO SOME OF THE PARTICIPANTS ABOVE....DIFFERENT LOGIC.......

C) While fishing this past season, Samuel fell sick for a week and did not catch any fish during this time.... I ALWAYS WIN 100 METER RACE 1 METER AHEAD OF 4 OTHERS....ONCE I WAS MADE TO RUN 2 METER BEHIND THE REST..... I CAME LAST ... 1 METER BEHIND THE REST 4. CAN SOMEONE SAY ---- YOU WERE ONLY 2% BEHIND BALANCE.... YOU COULD HAVE COVERED BALANCE 98% AND BEATEN ALL.....YOU ARE WEAK AS YOU WERE 1 METER BEHIND BALANCE?

D) Unlike the other fishermen on his boat, at the order of the captain, Samuel fished this past season with experimental bait......WHO SAYS THE EXPERIMENTAL BAIT IS INFERIOR TO THE CONVENTIONAL BAIT ? THIS BAIT WAS IMPORTED AND GIVES 400% SUCCESS IN ALL TRIALS....JUST THAT SAMUEL WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH...

BOTH "C" AND "D" COULD BE RIGHT / WRONG UNDER DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS......

I agree with Semwal here..
Conclusion: Sam is a bad fisherman..
Option C: Lets say if only Sam was sick and major fishing happened on that week, then conclusion is weakened. If all 5 were sick and no fishing happened then conclusion is strenthened..

Option D: Lets say if new bait is better than conventional one, then conclusion is strenthened.. If new bait is gross, then conclusion is weakened...

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I picked D.

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Samuel is obviously a bad fisherman. During the past season, in which he and the five members of his team spent four months on a boat together off Dutch Harbor, AK, he caught fewer fish than any of his teammates.

Which of the following, if true, most weakens the argument above?
C:Samuel is obviously a bad fisherman
Premise: During the past season, in which he and the five members of his team spent four months on a boat together off Dutch Harbor, AK, he caught fewer fish than any of his teammates.
Assumption: All the fisherman in question are compared based on same precondition.
A) Two seasons ago, Samuel fished on another boat off Dutch Harbor and caught more fish than any other member of that boat.
>> Hmm, may be he lost his touch post that. Not good.
B) Before becoming a fisherman, Samuel piloted a fishing boat whose members regularly caught record numbers of fish.
>> Doesn't help much to evaluate, if S is bad fisherman.
C) While fishing this past season, Samuel fell sick for a week and did not catch any fish during this time.
>>He may/ may be not a bad fisherman. Then falling ill doesn't do much to confirm his skills as a fisherman.
D) Unlike the other fishermen on his boat, at the order of the captain, Samuel fished this past season with experimental bait.
>> Now if we compare two people, then precondition should be same for all. As per this option, S tried an experimental bait. Hence we cant compare his skill with that of others. It may be that the bait is responsible for few fish catch.
E) Amongst the fishing community in Dutch Harbor, Samuel has a reputation for being an especially bad fisherman.
>>Out for obvious reason.
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02 Feb 2015, 07:47
I think the correct answer is D. Awaiting the OA
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15 Feb 2015, 22:56
Shortlisted C and D. Choice C just says he fell sick. We need to weaken "Samuel is obviously a bad fisherman". Choice D does the best job!
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25 Mar 2017, 11:00
This argument is of Specific to Generic Form.

Specific Info: He didnt catch many fish last season
General: He is a bad Fisherman.

Weakener: May be his was not well during those 4 months or he was doing something different.

A) Two seasons ago, Samuel fished on another boat off Dutch Harbor and caught more fish than any other member of that boat. : We are not bothered about 2 season ago. Lets talk about last season only. Incorrect
B) Before becoming a fisherman, Samuel piloted a fishing boat whose members regularly caught record numbers of fish. : What did he used to do is not my concern? IRRELEVANT.
C) While fishing this past season, Samuel fell sick for a week and did not catch any fish during this time. : Did he fell sick during those 4 months only. A good Trap.
D) Unlike the other fishermen on his boat, at the order of the captain, Samuel fished this past season with experimental bait. Yes, He did something different. So, this bait could be the reason not Samuel.
E) Amongst the fishing community in Dutch Harbor, Samuel has a reputation for being an especially bad fisherman. : IRRELEVANT
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