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San Franciscans of the 1890s mocked the claim that declared Los Angeles a world city, yet within twenty years a powerful municipal had made this boast a reality.

a) yet within twenty years a powerful municipal had made this boast a reality
b) yet within twenty years a powerful municipal made this boast a reality
c) yet a powerful municipal within twenty years will make this boast a reality
d) yet this boast had become a reality within twenty years because of a powerful will municipally
e) yet within twenty years a municipal will had made this boast a powerful reality

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The reason given is that since there are 2 past events we need the past perfect "had made".

But isn't past perfect used to indicate the sequence of events and past perfect represents older of the 2 events. Here mocking happened before someone made it a reality. So isn't this incorrect. Some how I found B to be more apt. Since the time line is clearly given we do not need past perfect to highlight the sequence.
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it seems past perfect is required here to show tht the boast became a reality before the time passed.
still confusing for me though. :roll:

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San Franciscans of the 1890s mocked the claim that declared Los Angeles a world city, yet within twenty years a powerful municipal had made this boast a reality.

a) yet within twenty years a powerful municipal had made this boast a reality
b) yet within twenty years a powerful municipal made this boast a reality
c) yet a powerful municipal within twenty years will make this boast a reality
d) yet this boast had become a reality within twenty years because of a powerful will municipally
e) yet within twenty years a municipal will had made this boast a powerful reality

OA is provided,

[Reveal] Spoiler:
The reason given is that since there are 2 past events we need the past perfect "had made".

But isn't past perfect used to indicate the sequence of events and past perfect represents older of the 2 events. Here mocking happened before someone made it a reality. So isn't this incorrect. Some how I found B to be more apt. Since the time line is clearly given we do not need past perfect to highlight the sequence.

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+1 A

Here, you have two specific moments in the past in the second clause:
- the powerful municipal
- 20 years after the claim. (this is a later event, that's why you need past perfect for the first event (the powerful municipal)).

Sometimes, you don't need two actions (verbs) in the past to use present perfect. Sometimes, GMAT use a moment in the past as a point of reference for a previous action (in this case, the municipal making the boast a reality).
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+1 A

Here, you have two specific moments in the past in the second clause:
- the powerful municipal
- 20 years after the claim. (this is a later event, that's why you need past perfect for the first event (the powerful municipal)).

Sometimes, you don't need two actions (verbs) in the past to use present perfect. Sometimes, GMAT use a moment in the past as a point of reference for a previous action (in this case, the municipal making the boast a reality).


I did not quite follow what you meant. The question says "yet within twenty years a powerful municipal had made this boast a reality". So how did you infer that the "powerful municipal" and "20 years after the claim" are 2 events.
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There are three events in the sentence. The second clause refers to the second and third events in the time line:

1890s --------- powerful municipal made the boast a reality-------1910s

Therefore, the second clause requires past perfect. As I mentioned before, sometimes the GMAT doesn't need an action in simple past to use the past perfect. It could usea a moment in the time line as a point of reference to use the past perfect.
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For two specific time in the past. First one is simple past and second one is past perfect.
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New post 21 Mar 2013, 10:20
within 20 year of x

is a point of time

and there is an action which had happen before this point of time

had done is used correctly. A is oa.

"within" is used many time with "had done" in gmatprep. This situation happened many times in gmatprep and should be remembered.
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1. San Franciscans mocking (1890) - earlier event
2. within 20 yrs - (within 1910) - later event

Shouldn't 1. have the past participle ("had") rather than 2.

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This question and its official answer prove why doing questions other than OG ones is totally useless.



Sorry but not able to get this point which you have raised????
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Ivan91 wrote:
This question and its official answer prove why doing questions other than OG ones is totally useless.



Sorry but not able to get this point which you have raised????


A and B are both grammatically correct and acceptable answer choices.
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