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Our understanding was that she would continue to cover the costs of school enrollment and room and board for the children, which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.

of which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.

both of which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

both of which she agreed to pay with the rest of the family verbally.

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24 Jun 2008, 23:52
A?

D/E crossed out because of 'both' we're talking just about costs which she agreed to.
B/C has 'agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay' which is wrong modifiers, she verbally agreed, not the whole family & her verbally agreed.

I dunno, I suck at SCs haha.

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25 Jun 2008, 00:06
rpmodi wrote:

Our understanding was that she would continue to cover the costs of school enrollment and room and board for the children, which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.

of which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.

both of which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

both of which she agreed to pay with the rest of the family verbally.

"Agree with somebody to do something", so A, D, E out

C for me
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25 Jun 2008, 01:56
Hmmm, difficult.

A, D and E are out of question.

I think, B is good.

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25 Jun 2008, 03:24
A for me.
I would not choose C because of 'of which', why do we need such 'of' here?

Btw, what's the OA?

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25 Jun 2008, 05:27
rpmodi wrote:

Our understanding was that she would continue to cover the costs of school enrollment and room and board for the children, which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.
("Which" is referring to children)
of which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.

both of which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

both of which she agreed to pay with the rest of the family verbally.

(Changes the meaning to both of children)

So i think C.

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25 Jun 2008, 08:25
sondenso wrote:
rpmodi wrote:

Our understanding was that she would continue to cover the costs of school enrollment and room and board for the children, which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.

of which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.

both of which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

both of which she agreed to pay with the rest of the family verbally.

"Agree with somebody to do something", so A, D, E out

C for me

Agree with the first part. A,D,E out for the reasons mentioned above.
But I don't understand why do we need 'of which' in C.
'which' in B points to the entire idea of 'continuing to cover..etc'. (or clause).
Did not like 'of which' in C. Nice question. Special case of 'which' where it points to entire clause.
B with 60% confidence.

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25 Jun 2008, 08:48
of which in C is just simply awkward..

I feel D is idomatic and best..

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25 Jun 2008, 08:56
i researched this..and frankly I doubt that B is the right answer..what is which referring to?
in GMAT world..which refers to the noun immediately preceding which..

if room and board are considered one thing..then tuition and "room and board" both which she agreed to pay for is correct..

D is the only that stands..

i challenge the gmat challenge makers to justify their ans choice..

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25 Jun 2008, 10:07
fresinha12 wrote:
i researched this..and frankly I doubt that B is the right answer..what is which referring to?
in GMAT world..which refers to the noun immediately preceding which..

if room and board are considered one thing..then tuition and "room and board" both which she agreed to pay for is correct..

D is the only that stands..

i challenge the gmat challenge makers to justify their ans choice..

But D is unidiomatic. Also, little altered intent. (agreed to pay with family?)
Agree with somebody to do something. (right)
But A,D,E -->Agree to do something with somebody. (seems not right)
I agree with you to pay 5 dollars.
I agree to pay 5 dollars with you.
We should be discussing between B and C.

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25 Jun 2008, 11:51
Ok I will let the cat out , OA is B ...taddaaaa daaadaaa !!!

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I chose C but turns out "of which" is awkward , I don't know why !!! my reasons to eliminate other choices

which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family. -----it's saying she is paying with family , she is paying with the family (family is also paying ) awkward .......

which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay. ---I though which after coma was awkard but seems like some exceptional rule , if some verbal expert can explain !!!

of which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay. --chose this because she agreed verbally with rest of the family ---agreed with "someone" to do something makes sense

both of which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.---we are talking about costs , "both" doesn't make sense

both of which she agreed to pay with the rest of the family verbally.---same as D

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25 Jun 2008, 11:59
fresinha12 wrote:
i researched this..and frankly I doubt that B is the right answer..what is which referring to?
in GMAT world..which refers to the noun immediately preceding which..

if room and board are considered one thing..then tuition and "room and board" both which she agreed to pay for is correct..

D is the only that stands..

i challenge the gmat challenge makers to justify their ans choice..

I agree "which" modifies the preceding noun. This is explicitly stated in the Manhattan SC book.

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25 Jun 2008, 21:42
I agree that which refers back to the preceeding noun. I also follow this rule with full heart. In OG I found no Q dyfing this rule.

But in few Qs from other sources I have found alterations with which: which can refer back not just to noun but to NP ( Noun Phrase )

That means ,

Our understanding was that she would continue to cover the costs of school enrollment and room and board for the children(NP), which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

so,
which : NP : school enrollment and room and board for the children

But don't kill me for saying so. Now you have to decide which rule you want to abide.

Non ETS Qs are sometimes nasty with "which usage".

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25 Jun 2008, 21:55
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I agree that which refers back to the preceeding noun. I also follow this rule with full heart. In OG I found no Q dyfing this rule.

But in few Qs from other sources I have found alterations with which: which can refer back not just to noun but to NP ( Noun Phrase )

That means ,

Our understanding was that she would continue to cover the costs of school enrollment and room and board for the children(NP), which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

so,
which : NP : school enrollment and room and board for the children

But don't kill me for saying so. Now you have to decide which rule you want to abide.

Non ETS Qs are sometimes nasty with "which usage".

I hope it is a non ETS question

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25 Jun 2008, 22:41
Which refers to costs. I have met many times these question types.
If there are no choice seems to be best, should consider case of WHICH after the comma. WHICH can refer to noun that does not immediately precede WHICH.

B is best!

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26 Jun 2008, 07:59
I found a similar question - which modifies the NP.

1. Executives and federal officials say that the use of crack and cocaine is growing rapidly among workers, significantly compounding the effects of drug and alcohol abuse, which already are a cost to business of more than \$100 billion a year.
(A) significantly compounding the effects of drug and alcohol abuse, which already are a cost to business of
(B) significantly compounding the effects of drug and alcohol abuse, which already cost business
(C) significantly compounding the effects of drug and alcohol abuse, already with business costs of
(D) significant in compounding the effects of drug and alcohol abuse, and already costing business
(E) significant in compounding the effects of drug and alcohol abuse, and already costs business

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26 Jun 2008, 09:09
significantly compounding the effects of drug and alcohol abuse(NP),which already cost business

So I think in GMAT when no other option works out , which can relate to NP

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26 Jun 2008, 09:44
Our understanding was that she would continue to cover the costs of school enrollment and room and board for the children, which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay.

of which she agreed verbally with the rest of the family to pay. ->this is the best [b]since Agree with is used when a person is agreeing with another person. Agree to is used when a person is agreeing to something inanimate.
Also she is goin to pay the costs alone not with the family.This is clear from the premise given.Again here of which refers to the costs .There is one such example : of all the fruits i will take orange.Its just like that here author says she would continue to cover the costs of which she agreed (with the family) to pay .Hence NO CONFUSION AT ALL. KINDLY LOCK THIS ANSWER
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both of which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

both of which she agreed to pay with the rest of the family verbally.

(A) eliminate since she will not pay with family.Eliminate
(B) Here which refers to chldren.Eliminate
(C) Best
(D)agreed to pay with family misleads.
(E)same as in (D)

I go for (D) ........... OA Pleaseeeeee
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26 Jun 2008, 09:48
sondenso wrote:
goalsnr wrote:
huntgmat wrote:
I agree that which refers back to the preceeding noun. I also follow this rule with full heart. In OG I found no Q dyfing this rule.

But in few Qs from other sources I have found alterations with which: which can refer back not just to noun but to NP ( Noun Phrase )

That means ,

Our understanding was that she would continue to cover the costs of school enrollment and room and board for the children(NP), which she verbally agreed to pay with the rest of the family.

so,
which : NP : school enrollment and room and board for the children

But don't kill me for saying so. Now you have to decide which rule you want to abide.

Non ETS Qs are sometimes nasty with "which usage".

I hope it is a non ETS question

Me too, I find "which" in B so awkward!

I hope which here refers to costs.. You can do google in case of nouns of noun, relative pronouns refers to actual noun. Like here
costs of x, which..so which will refer to costs not x. But again I dont agree with B as OA. As general English grammer rule.. adverbs must placed before the verb they tend to modify. Verbally is adverb of manner so must be placed before agreed. If we go with this rule then OA must be A.

My mistake, I found exception to rule.. adverbs can be placed anywhere in the sentence, but they must be placed adjusent to the word they intend to modify.

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