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22 Aug 2003, 05:42
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I know this question has been posted in this forum before by stoylar, but the answer provided by him (which I think is the right one) does not match the one on the answer sheet. So please let me bring this up again:

Even though its per capita food supply hardly increased during two decades, stringent rationing and planned distribution have allowed the People's Republic of China to ensure nutritional levels of 2,000 calories per person per day for its population.

(A) Even though its per capita food supply hardly increased during
(B) Even though its per capita food supply has hardly increased in
(C) Despite its per capita food supply hardly increasing over
(D) Despite there being hardly any increase in its per capita food supply during
(E) Although there is hardly any increase in per capita food supply for

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22 Aug 2003, 07:23
Computers are becoming faster, more powerful, and
more reliable, and <so too are modems, they are the
devices to allow> two or more computers to share
information over regular telephone lines.

(A) so too are modems, they are the devices to
allow
(B) so too are modems, the devices that allow
(C) so too modems, the devices allowing
(D) also modems, they are the devices that allow
(E) also modems, which are the devices to allow

the answer is a.why is b not appropriate?

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22 Aug 2003, 08:14
MartinMag

Let me take a blind guess - (A)

doloris

you should create a separate topic for your question as sometimes it is confusing to track two different threads in the same topic
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22 Aug 2003, 10:49
My guess was also B. But the answer sheet clearly reads D!!!!!!

It is from Vstudy Test 5, Section 6(SC), number 24.

Do we have to asumme the answer sheet is wrong?

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22 Aug 2003, 15:15
MartinMag wrote:
My guess was also B. But the answer sheet clearly reads D!!!!!!

It is from Vstudy Test 5, Section 6(SC), number 24.

Do we have to asumme the answer sheet is wrong?

I got a question

IT refers to People's Rep of China. so dont u think the first part of the sentence is modifying China...so the second half ( after the comma) of the sentence should start with "the people's republic of China..

if its true, then only E looks good.

In D....with ""Being"" ...the ing form suggests that the action is continuing or in progress...but the first half of the sentence talks about the PAST...so it may not be the best usage...

For me , only E looks good.

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23 Aug 2003, 11:33
ooops!!!!sorry bono i was posting it as a new topic ,must have clicked in a hurry

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23 Aug 2003, 11:38
praetorian123:

IMO (E) is wrong because of the tense. "Although there IS ... increase ... FOR TWO DECADES..."
Should be "Although there WAS/HAS BEEN ... increase ... FOR TWO DECADES..."

I didn't get your point with the "IT" thing. I agree that "Its" refers to China though.

Remember that when the introductory phrase is a clause (i.e. has a subject and a verb) there is
no need to reference first to the subject in matter after the comma.

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23 Aug 2003, 23:48
MartinMag wrote:
praetorian123:

IMO (E) is wrong because of the tense. "Although there IS ... increase ... FOR TWO DECADES..."
Should be "Although there WAS/HAS BEEN ... increase ... FOR TWO DECADES..."

I didn't get your point with the "IT" thing. I agree that "Its" refers to China though.

Remember that when the introductory phrase is a clause (i.e. has a subject and a verb) there is
no need to reference first to the subject in matter after the comma.

because even if the phrase has a S/V ...the logical part of the sentence should be in order..is it not?

for example,
Although "Its" economic outlook was very good, the company decided to leave the People's Republic of China citing financial difficulties.

Here "Its" can refer to company or PRC. That was my concern...but i guess here in our problem , it is ok.

In our problem, It" can refer only to PRC...because stringent rationing and planned distribution is compound...

I have to know more about the use of "Even Though" and "Despite"..

I still have to figure out why D is the answer.. lets see if we can solve this entirely.

Half knowledge is dangerous!

Please comment on the Introductory phrase issue..thanks
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24 Aug 2003, 11:11
Actually what I said about the introductory phrase I took it from the "PR Verbal Workout".

For example:

"Although it had been partially destroyed, the archeologists managed to tell that the
inscription belonged to the 15th century."

This is the offical answer to a question taken from the OG.

"it" references "inscription", although "the archeologists" appears first after the comma. According to PR
this is ok because the introductory phrase has a subject and a verb (which makes it a clause).

Having said that... I am not sure how this helps us solve our problem...

Since answer D is using passive voice (...there being hardly...) , and based on the suggestions from
almost every GMAT guide out there that passive voice should be avoided, there has got to
be something wrong with all the other options. What I mean is that D is not perfect, but
maybe is the best (or the answer sheet is wrong).

So:

A) Nothing much against this option except that it uses simple past when past perfect is
used in the part of the sentence that is not underlined.
B) I actually think this is the best answer
C) Present progressive.. not good
E) Simple present.. not good either

Any suggestions? Anybody?

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24 Aug 2003, 16:12
Hey Martin

I cant help but think that this problem is about "even though" and "despite". let us find out more..i will definitely get back to you with this.

Speaking of good SC's, did you take a look at the modem SC below...i will repost it so that we can solve it.

Thanks for that introductory phrase explanation.

PR is right...the pronoun or whatever references the one either the closest referent or the one it logically refers to...( for eg, "it" takes singular).

I think in your example , "It" can only refer to insciption, as IMO ,archaelogists takes a pronoun "they". so the sentence as is works fine

Look at the following sentence.
Although they found it damaged, the archaelogists managed to date the inscription to the 15 th century.

This should also work...cause "IT" refers to the inscription and they clearly refers to archaelogists.

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24 Aug 2003, 16:32
MartinMag wrote:
Actually what I said about the introductory phrase I took it from the "PR Verbal Workout".

For example:

"Although it had been partially destroyed, the archeologists managed to tell that the
inscription belonged to the 15th century."

This is the offical answer to a question taken from the OG.

"it" references "inscription", although "the archeologists" appears first after the comma. According to PR
this is ok because the introductory phrase has a subject and a verb (which makes it a clause).

Having said that... I am not sure how this helps us solve our problem...

Since answer D is using passive voice (...there being hardly...) , and based on the suggestions from
almost every GMAT guide out there that passive voice should be avoided, there has got to
be something wrong with all the other options. What I mean is that D is not perfect, but
maybe is the best (or the answer sheet is wrong).

So:

A) Nothing much against this option except that it uses simple past when past perfect is
used in the part of the sentence that is not underlined.
B) I actually think this is the best answer
C) Present progressive.. not good
E) Simple present.. not good either

Any suggestions? Anybody?

B is fine. The referent of the opening modifying clause does not have to immediately follow the comma if it the relationship is clear and unambiguous from the context. B also properly uses the present perfect in both the subordinate and main clauses to show that while the food supply did not increase over time from the past until now, they have managed to increase nutritional levels over that same time from the past until now. D is simply a mess.
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25 Aug 2003, 06:55
Allright, thanks for your comments everybody. Unless new evidence is brought up we can say the answer sheet is wrong.

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25 Aug 2003, 13:52
MartinMag wrote:
Allright, thanks for your comments everybody. Unless new evidence is brought up we can say the answer sheet is wrong.

I thought it was about the even thoughs and despites..but no..its way simpler than that.

Ok, we cannot use "During" + time period.
i mean we should be more specific when we use During ...say...
"During" the two decades between 1980 and 2000
So D is incorrect.

Phew, that was one good lesson...courtesy Erin..Rules make life easier!!!

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25 Aug 2003, 14:18
would the option:
Even though its per capita food supply has hardly increased during
be wrong?
during two decades is just wrong???

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25 Aug 2003, 14:33
javropu wrote:
would the option:
Even though its per capita food supply has hardly increased during
be wrong?
during two decades is just wrong???

yes, that would be wrong.

During two decades between 1900 and 1920...is a correct version.

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24 Sep 2008, 06:30
To me E makes the most sense.
did you guys conclude if the answers are wrong here?

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24 Sep 2008, 08:42
Praetorian,

Can you please provide me the link for Erins rules and idioms

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24 Sep 2008, 09:07
Praetorian is right on the money- during is incorrect because it does not specify the period. When I say, "I have not played cricket in 2 years", I am clearly referring to the period of the last 2 years up until NOW.
For me, B is the only right answer.
P.S. Now, if "during" had been followed by "the", it would have been more correct. B would still have been the right ans.

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