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# Set A consists of all the integers between 10 and 21, inclus

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Re: Set A consists of all the integers between 10 and 21, inclus [#permalink]

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21 Sep 2015, 12:53
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alexeykaplin wrote:
I'm little bit confused here.
The way provided is pretty logical and I like it but I have a conundrum with more choosey approach.

In Set A we have 12 integers, these ones divisble by 3 - 12, 15,18, 21 - 4 numbers
In set B we have 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47 - 11 prime numbers

prob of xy divisible by 3 = (xy's divisble by 3)/(total possible xy's)

xy's divisible by 3= 11x4=44
total possible xy's= 11x12-4=128, I deduct 4 to avoid double counting of 11, 13, 17,19 as these appear in both sets

so, I have 44/128=11/32, slightly more that 1/3.

please, tell me where am I wrong here.

It is already given that y is being chosen from the list of prime numbers, and hence there will be a probability of 1 if we choose any number from y.
And for x, we have to find the probability of choosing a multiple of 3. Hence, the final probability is 4/12*1 = 1/3
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21 Sep 2015, 13:34
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y has no factor z such that 1 < z < y this means that y is a prime and it has to lie between 10 and 50 inclusive. Now, since the product of xy is divisible by 3 so that means that we have to look for multiples of 3 in set A since primes from set B are all greater than 3. Set B has 12 elements and out of which 4 are multiples of 3 so probability should be 4/12 = 1/3.

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After following all the discussion on this thread, I feel that considering only x is not correct. The question clearly states that y is the probability of selected a prime number from the set B. And then it asks for the probability of product xy being divisible by 3! Clearly we cannot assume that y will always be prime. We need to take it into consideration that we have picked y as a prime number from B and x as a factor of 3 from set A. The events x and y are definitely not mutually exclusive in this case as we need to find the probability for product xy . Also there can be cases where y if not prime could be a multiple of 3 and then xy would still be divisible by 3!

Please highlight if I'm overlooking something, But clearly the options and OA isnt correct.
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21 Sep 2015, 14:04
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tarunktuteja wrote:
y has no factor z such that 1 < z < y this means that y is a prime and it has to lie between 10 and 50 inclusive. Now, since the product of xy is divisible by 3 so that means that we have to look for multiples of 3 in set A since primes from set B are all greater than 3. Set B has 12 elements and out of which 4 are multiples of 3 so probability should be 4/12 = 1/3.

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After following all the discussion on this thread, I feel that considering only x is not correct. The question clearly states that y is the probability of selected a prime number from the set B. And then it asks for the probability of product xy being divisible by 3! Clearly we cannot assume that y will always be prime. We need to take it into consideration that we have picked y as a prime number from B and x as a factor of 3 from set A. The events x and y are definitely not mutually exclusive in this case as we need to find the probability for product xy . Also there can be cases where y if not prime could be a multiple of 3 and then xy would still be divisible by 3!

Please highlight if I'm overlooking something, But clearly the options and OA isnt correct.

"y is a number chosen randomly from Set B, and y has no factor z such that 1 < z < y, what is the probability that the product xy is divisible by 3"
you are missing the bold face part. It is already given that we are choosing y among the set which is govern by 1<z<y. If this condition was not given, we would have followed your approach.
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Re: Set A consists of all the integers between 10 and 21, inclus [#permalink]

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29 Jun 2016, 12:41
I think this is a bad question.. The way its written it seems that you have to chose 4 out of 11 (the multiples of 3 from 10 to 21) and then it will have to match a prime chosen from 10 to 50, so 11 possibilities of out 50. So we get 4/11*11/40.

The question should read that a number WAS CHOSEN from bla bla, so its clear that the action of choosing it from the respective sample has already taken place.

Anyways maybe its just me..
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Re: Set A consists of all the integers between 10 and 21, inclus [#permalink]

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29 Jun 2016, 12:58
and y has no factor z such that 1 < z < y
Question poorly worded, does the probability includes the drawing of y ?
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11 Mar 2017, 12:12
If y has no factor z such that 1 < z < y, then y must be prime. Let's look at a few examples to see why this is true:
6 has a factor 2 such that 1 < 2 < 6: 6 is NOT prime
15 has a factor 5 such that 1 < 5 < 15: 15 is NOT prime
3 has NO factor between 1 and 3: 3 IS prime
7 has NO factor between 1 and 7: 7 IS prime
Because it is selected from Set B, y is a prime number between 10 and 50, inclusive. The only prime number that is divisible by 3 is 3, so y is definitely not divisible by 3.
Thus, xy is only divisible by 3 if x itself is divisible by 3. We can rephrase the question: “What is the probability that a multiple of 3 will be chosen randomly from Set A?”
There are 21 – 10 + 1 = 12 terms in Set A. Of these, 4 terms (12, 15, 18, and 21) are divisible by 3.
There are 21 – 10 + 1 = 12 terms in Set A. Of these, 4 terms (12, 15, 18, and 21) are divisible by 3.
Thus, the probability that x is divisible by 3 is :- 4/12 = 1/3
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Re: Set A consists of all the integers between 10 and 21, inclus [#permalink]

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12 Mar 2017, 04:24
Though the question is simple, so much prose makes it seem complicated. 'y' has to be a prime number as the integer randomly selected cannot have a factor 'z' of the form 1<z<y.

y=11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43 (Seeing this sequence it can be determined that none of the values are divisible by 3)

x=10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21 (12,15,18,21 are the only integers divisible by 3). Hence probability = 4/12 = 1/3
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20 Mar 2018, 06:02
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Set A consists of all the integers between 10 and 21, inclusive. Set B consists of all the integers between 10 and 50, inclusive. If x is a number chosen randomly from Set A, y is a number chosen randomly from Set B, and y has no factor z such that 1 < z < y, what is the probability that the product xy is divisible by 3?

A. 1/4
B. 1/3
C. 1/2
D. 2/3
E. 3/4

Set y that satisfies the given criteria : { 11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,}
set x = { 12,15,18,21}

No. of pairs of XY that are divisible by 3 = 44
Total xy = total 12 elements of set x * 11 elements of set y that satisfy the condition , hence total xy = 12 *11

Probability = $$\frac{44}{12*11}$$ = $$\frac{1}{3}$$

Main point of confusion may be when selecting the total number of pairs , remember when selecting one element of Y we have a certain condition that it should be prime , when selecting one element from x we have no such condition. Hence total cases are 12 * 11 .Out of which favorable cases are 4*11 = 44. Hence Probability = $$\frac{44}{12*11}$$ = $$\frac{1}{3}$$

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20 Mar 2018, 10:08
daviesj wrote:
Set A consists of all the integers between 10 and 21, inclusive. Set B consists of all the integers between 10 and 50, inclusive. If x is a number chosen randomly from Set A, y is a number chosen randomly from Set B, and y has no factor z such that 1 < z < y, what is the probability that the product xy is divisible by 3?

A. 1/4
B. 1/3
C. 1/2
D. 2/3
E. 3/4

y has no factor z such that 1 < z < y, implied that y is a prime number.

Therefore x must be a multiple of 3 and is between 10 and 21 inclusive, we got the following number: 12,15,18,21

The probability that xy is divisible by 3: $$\frac{4}{12}$$ = $$\frac{1}{3}$$ => Answer (B)
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