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# Set M contains numbers that satisfy the condition that, if

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Set M contains numbers that satisfy the condition that, if integer x is in the set then x+3 will also be in the set M. If -4 is one of the value in the set, which of the following numbers must also be present in the set M.

I. -7
II. -1
III. 2

A. I only
B. II only
C. I and II only
D. II and III only
E. I, II and III
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Set M contains numbers that satisfy the condition that, if integer x is in the set then x+3 will also be in the set M. If -4 is one of the value in the set, which of the following numbers must also be present in the set M.

I. -7
II. -1
III. 2

A. I only
B. II only
C. I and II only
D. II and III only
E. I, II and III

Notice that we are asked "which of the following numbers MUST also be present in the set M" not "COULD be in the set".

Now, if -4 is in the set, then -4+3=-1 must be in the set. Since -1 is in the set then -1+3=2 must be in the set. Could -7 be in the set? Certainly, but we don't know that for sure.

Hope it's clear.
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If -4 is part of the list, then -4+3(i.e -1) & -1+3(i.e 2) "MUST" be part of the set. Whereas -4-3(i.e -7) "COULD" be a part of the list
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Pansi wrote:
If -4 is part of the list, then -4+3(i.e -1) & -1+3(i.e 2) "MUST" be part of the set. Whereas -4-3(i.e -7) "COULD" be a part of the list

why -7 could be in the list? Why not must? why can't we use the rule backward?

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Pansi wrote:
If -4 is part of the list, then -4+3(i.e -1) & -1+3(i.e 2) "MUST" be part of the set. Whereas -4-3(i.e -7) "COULD" be a part of the list

why -7 could be in the list? Why not must? why can't we use the rule backward?

thanks

If integer x is in the set then x+3 will also be in the set does NOT mean that the reverse must be true.

If integer x is in the set then x+3 will also be in the set does NOT mean that if integer x+3 is in the set then x must also be in the set.

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