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I think 690 is a long shot for top 10 schools with your demographic of Indian IT Male
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Thanks for the prompt reply :)
Like I said in the post,I am not aiming for the top 10 colleges and I work for a product based company(so Non-IT) .So any chances of scholarship with 690 considering I highlight my profile in the best way possible?
also Should I go for one more retake?If I get 730 or so, any chance of scholarships in R3 ?



If you plan to apply to schools listed on the left, I think for most of them you are OK with your GMAT.
If you plan to apply in R3, places are limited, competition is fierce since you are competing with guys wailisted in R1 and R2 and scholarship fund is almost gone.
Please review debriefs of other applicants in "Share GMAT Experience" and you will find a lot of advice, since your situation is not unique.
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Thanks for the prompt reply :)
Like I said in the post,I am not aiming for the top 10 colleges and I work for a product based company(so Non-IT) .So any chances of scholarship with 690 considering I highlight my profile in the best way possible?
also Should I go for one more retake?If I get 730 or so, any chance of scholarships in R3 ?



As a general rule of thumb, if you really feel that you can improve significantly - of course, retake the GMAT.
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Hm, interesting verbal results, felipeangelm. In general, there could be two reasons why your RC score was low: 1) you're bad at reading, or 2) you missed some RC questions that you're perfectly capable of getting correct. And clearly, you're not bad at reading. Your CR results are really good. You just managed to do something goofy on RC this time around -- maybe a lack of focus, or some fatigue leaking in, or just reading too darned quickly? That stuff seems fixable to me if you really concentrate on developing a consistent approach to RC.

I'm not sure whether this will help, but this (pretty generic) article on RC might point you in the right direction in terms of how to think about consistency on RC. But I don't think that you need to drive yourself crazy doing TONS of RC practice -- just enough to be confident that you'll perform up to your usual standards. Other than the RC on that last exam, you've been in the 75th-90th percentile on RC and CR, so there's no reason you can't consistently score in that range on RC.

For quant, I wouldn't overthink the arithmetic subscore. Basically, the GMAT shoehorns EVERY type of quant question into those two categories (arithmetic and algebra/geometry), and that isn't terribly helpful for test-takers who are trying to figure out what, exactly, they need to study. I suspect that you have some legitimate weaknesses that could use some attention, but "arithmetic" is too general to be helpful. Keep a close eye on what you miss on your practice questions and tests, and see if that helps you figure out which topics could use some extra attention. And there are some great people in the quant section of GMAT Club who can help you with all of that.

Good luck with your retake, and please let us know how it goes!
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I am giving my GMAT next week, i was getting 600 score but just now when i took a mock i got 470 , please suggest something my verbal score is not getting better , i have to give exam next week only and i want 700 plus.
i finished my test before time also., either i am too late or too fast and low accuracy.


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Let me be honest. Getting 700 in one week when you are at 470 is NEXT to impossible unless your luck is very strong.

Please see if you can delay your exam.
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First GMAT taken 2 weeks ago: 750 Q47/V47 w/ 5IR and 5AWA

Had a solid GPA in undergrad at state school (3.96 in Finance/Management) I'm aiming for top schools but am concerned my work experience will not be enough: 2 years financial services company (marketing/sales for mortgages & 2 summers of finance internships at fortune 100 company).

I honestly believe that with two weeks I could get Q up to 50 or so, likely boosting my score.

Worthwhile to retake?

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Holy crap, congratulations on that 750! And on that great GPA!

It's hard for me to imagine that you NEED to do any better, but if you think you can get a 50, then go out and do it! An eye-popping quant score can only help your case, and in the scheme of the six-figure MBA investment, a couple of weeks + $250 isn't all that huge of a cost. I'd go for it.

The biggest risk -- and it's not much of a risk, really -- is that your verbal score is so magnificently high that one or two more errors might cost you a couple of points, even if you don't do anything differently. But even then, I think schools would (mildly) prefer to see a 50Q/44V than a 47Q/47V. At the very least, it can't hurt to take one or two more shots at the test if you think you can do better.

Let us know what happens! Feel free to tag me if you end up writing a debrief -- I'm always curious to see how these things end up. Good luck with the retake!
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I wrote the GMAT for the first time 3 weeks ago and got a 700 (Q47, V38, IR8, AWA5). I only studied quant because diagnostic tests suggested it was my clear weakness, and that was on and off for 6 weeks in ad hoc fashion. Based on my ESR, SC is holding me back from getting a V43-45 (it's considerably lower than my CR and RC), and I believe that I can push my quant to at least 49 with a more disciplined study regimen.

I studied at a small Canadian school (commerce degree) and have a poor GPA, so I'm wondering if it's worth retaking the GMAT as a matter of improving the academic side of my applications. I begin full time work soon, so any applications would be for 2019 at the earliest.

Any advice would be highly appreciated!

If your username is a reference to a certain orange-haired fellow, then that's pretty funny. :)

Three different thoughts about retaking:

  • In general, if you think you can improve your score, why not do it? You're saying that your studying wasn't consistent, and you think you can get a 49... and I'd argue that SC is the most learnable part of GMAT verbal. So you're leaving points on the table right now. Might as well go get them, right?
  • Depending on where you want to get your MBA, the score might be fine the way it is. You're in the range for pretty much any Canadian school, for example; if you're targeting elite (say, top-15) U.S. programs, then a 700 + low GPA + relatively unknown undergrad program probably won't do the trick.
  • #covfefe (Ignore this bullet if I've misinterpreted your username. :grin:)

It doesn't sound like you have much reason NOT to retake, but if your MBA goals are relatively modest, then you might be fine.

I hope this helps, and welcome to GMAT Club!
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Hey Piyush0731

Work on as many official questions for Verbal till 27th of February. Focus your
preparation specifically on those topics which are still weak for you. You can easily
find which of the topics need work by analyzing the two GMATPrep tests that you
have taken.

On the 28th take the third test(either of the tests from the EP1) and see how you
perform. Make sure to work on your timing the next time you give the exam the
next time around.

You could also read the following post to understand what needs to be done:
https://gmatclub.com/forum/what-to-do-3 ... 52506.html

If you are still 50+ points away from your target score, I would recommend you
to delay your exam by a month atleast

Hope this helps you!
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Hi ikcotyck. Sorry you did not get the score you wanted or expected.

Your post is more of a profile a valuation rather than should I retake the GMAT :-)

I feel you will do great with 730 for the Bschools you selected. You have a pretty strong profile and I don’t think an extra 20 or 30 points would make that much of a difference. I would start working on the essays and applications.

You can however take a 15 day break and venture back to the test center and take the test again if you feel uncertain about this direction. There’s a decent chance you’ll get a higher score. You may have scored at the bottom of your range rather than the top and taking a bit of a break with some minimal refreshing can help.

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No worries. It is a fine line with lots of gray.

You can post in profile review forum or in the school forums (all should have a dedicated profile eval thread). I would suggest that you do not double post in multiple places because consultants do check and they tend to reply very briefly if it all to folks who do multiple posts about the same question. Should you not get an answer in 48 hrs, I think it’s appropriate to post in a different spot.

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7 months and 450 hours: 440 to 660. I want to get to 710+ in 6 weeks.

Hello Everyone,

Just sat for the exam for the second time on Oct 19. I vastly improved over my first exam in July, however I want to do even better. Here I will give a description of my studies and ask advice on what to do next.

Background information
Basics: male, US, native-english, south-asian origin, 31 years old.
Professional: 7 years in non-profit arts administration. I am the full-time director of a youth orchestra program in NYC. It’s a fascinating blend of creative music making, organizational leadership, and music education.
Education: piano performance and music composition
Asterisks: dropped out of HS (ended up returning). Never finished basic HS math. Destroyed by calculus in college. Hadn’t sat for a "math" exam since 2008. My professional role, although creative and demanding, requires little thorough quantitative or critical analysis.

Goal: I want to transition to a leadership position in the for-profit sector and build experience (and money) for at least a decade. Then, I want to return to the non-profit sector and lead a major cultural arts institution in New York City.

Schools: applying R2 to four T15. Not going any lower. Yes, I’m taking a chance!

Journey 440 to 660 and beyond

March 2018 took GMAT Prep 1 (75 question) mock. 5 hours sleep. Cold. No preparation whatsoever. Hadn’t taken a test in 10 years.
440: Q18/V30/IR3/AWA??

Yeah it was bad. A few days later tried a mock GRE exam and scaled it was the same score. Decided I could better prove myself, because of my non-traditional background, with the GMAT. Haha.

April: averaging 8 hrs/week and 6 hours sleep per night. MGMAT Foundations Math book, and Magoosh flashcards. Yep.

May: averaging 16 hrs/week and 6 hours sleep per night. Magoosh question bank and some OG. Really struggled with both. Terrible timing. Did not understand anything not only in quant, but also in verbal.

May 24: sat for MGMAT CAT 1. 540: Q35/V30/IR3/ didn’t finish AWA. Fixed timing and breaks. Intentional morning routine. Even left the house and walked around the block.

Wasn’t really sure where to go from here. A good friend who scored 760 suggested I do CR Bible and focus on Magoosh. I really needed the Magoosh video explanations. OG was too above me.

June: 16 hrs/week studying and 6 hours sleep per night. CR Bible, Magoosh quant, and little bit of verbal here and there. Mid June began working 1x a week with a great tutor from one of the well-known test prep companies.

July 10: sat for MGMAT CAT 2. 540: Q29/V36/IR3/AWA self-scored 5. Fixed timing and breaks. Morning and evening routine.

Friday July 13: sat for GMAT Prep 2 (web version). 650: Q40/V40/IR4/AWA self-scored 5. This was terribly inflated and a cruel Friday the 13th joke. It had questions from the software version of GMAT Prep 1 I took in March. Fixed timing and breaks. Morning and evening routine.

July 16: sat for actual exam. 540: Q29/V37/IR2/AWA5. Gross. Just couldn’t do it right.

Then, I started a very detailed error log, and detailed my study habits in a schedule.

mid-July to end of August: averaging 18 hrs/week studying and 6 hours sleep per night. quant did only Magoosh UNTIMED and heavily reflective. Focused on “easy” and did one topic at a time. It would take me up to 8 minutes to do an easy quant problem. But I would understand it. Went through a bunch of Magoosh verbal all difficulties untimed.

end of August: switched to OG2018 online (!!) The online edition is a game-changer. Started on easy untimed. It was freakin hard!!! Worked through easy, and slowly began to incorporate timing.

September: averaging 18 hrs/week studying and 6 hours sleep per night. focused on OG EASY quant untimed and timed. detailed error logging. reviewed mistakes. re-did EASY questions. Verbal OG medium.

Sept 15: GMAT Prep 3 600: Q39/V34/IR4/AWA self-scored 5. I wasn’t too thrilled. Fixed timing and breaks. Morning and evening routine.

Sept 22: MGMAT CAT 3. 620: Q36/V28/IR4/AWA self-scored 5. Fixed timing and breaks. Morning and evening routine.

Sept 29: MGMAT CAT 4. 640: Q40/V37/IR3/AWA self-scored 5. Fixed timing and breaks. Morning and evening routine. Felt confident.

By now I was really sharpening my timing. MGMAT CATS give superior timing analyses and I was using it to my advantage. Saw that I would get sucked into a time-bomb spiral on the first 10 questions. Statistically, If I spent more than 2 minutes on a question, I had less than 10% chance to get it correct.

On quant I was learning to force myself to make smarter decisions faster. I was working through OG medium. Still haven’t touched OG hard!

On verbal I was struggling to increase accuracy while maintaining time on “Hard”. I still struggle with this. I struggle with focus while reading CR. I struggle with understanding hard CR. My Hard SC isn’t that great, either. I think lack of sleep (less than 7.5 hours) really impacted my verbal comprehension.

Final two weeks I was FORCING myself to sleep 7.5 to 9 hours each night. I noticed my focus increase.

Oct 13: GMAT Prep 4. 620: Q39/V36/IR3/AWA self scored 5. Fixed timing and breaks. Morning and evening routine. This impacted my confidence. I felt bad.

Oct 19: actual exam. 660: Q43/V38/IR6/AWA? Overall I was pleased, but disappointed by the Verbal plateau. How do I break out of it? ESR is attached.

Verbal: I really struggle with understanding hard CR questions. Hard SC, too.

Quant: haven’t even touched OG Hard yet. There are still about 40 medium OG questions I’ve got wrong that I need to go back and re-do.

I am sitting for the exam again on December 6. My minimum goal is 710: Q47/V40/IR6/AWA 5.5

I am fairly stubborn and obsessive, and often foolishly ambitious. I know that even with a 710, I may be rejected from my four T15 choices. My professional background is compelling. Even after I submit a (fingers crossed) 710 R2, I will likely continue to study and re-take GMAT in March. I believe a 760 is within my grasp, and such as score is useful for recruiting for certain industries, and even applicable to Law or Public Affairs/Policy programs.

My recent ESR is attached and I have very detailed error logs and study schedules on Google Sheets. Also, shout-out to my tutor - if you’re reading this, you know who you are!

What’s your advice?

Thank you!


Hey vasu214,

First, your job sounds pretty awesome! Second, kudos for the 200 point increase you've already achieved.

I'm not a tutor or instructor myself, but wanted to quickly share a couple of articles written by our academics team at ORION that I think you might find valuable as you shoot for that 710+ in the next month or so:

The Blueprint For A 760 GMAT - https://intercom.help/gmat_learnwithori ... a-760-gmat
How To Maximize Your Error Log - https://intercom.help/gmat_learnwithori ... -error-log

Best of luck with your remaining studies and let us know if there's anything we can do to assist!

PS - totally tangential, but as a music educator, you might appreciate the documentary Alive Inside. Check it out :)
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Thanks BB.
I meant verbal & math official books (the 2nd ed that just came out this year)
Do you believe that after I already had taken the Kaplan course, a private teacher, just for SC, could be helpful? or the MGMAT is good enough...?

I am looking for miracles...


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Just want to add my two-cents worth. I got 670 the first time around, extremely disapointed cause I was expecting a slightly higher score. I got 690 and 710 for GMATprep 1 & 2. I was determined to get a 700+ and the reason for that is probably a bit irrational -- my best friend got a 760 and I have always beatten her in whatever subject at high school. She did take a prep course so I took that into consideration and only aimed for 700+.

I studied for a month -- only on the weekend though cause I was a bit tied up with other stuff -- the second time I took it I got 710. I would be happier if I got 720 or 730 but I don't want to waste my precious time on retaking it again since I need to get started on other parts of my applications.

I think the bottom line is, if you have a reason to believe that you would get 30 or 40 points more, then go for it, retake the exam. In my case I knew there was a big chance that I'd get a better score if retook the exam and I had enough time to do so.

Luck is a big factor too. I was weak on Science RC's and came across one the first time around but not the second time.

I know 710 is not a very high score but I hope I can still make to at least one of the schools I'm applying to: INSEAD, LBS, Columbia, Kellogg & MIT. I can't say my work experience is really unique -- my undergraduate degree is Computer Science but I wanted to get into finance purely because it's what I'm interested in and I've been a financial planner for 3 years now. I did my high school in China, lived in Thailand for a year and then moved to Australia. I've been living and working in Australia for 12 years now. My goal is to break into consulting, specialising in the financial services industry. Don't know what my chances are but I'm gonna do my best and give it a shot. Anyone who have some insights in these schools selection criteria and thinks my goal is unrealistic/realistic please let me know. I can really use some guidance here.

bb, I really think it's great that you started this thread because it provides ppl who are contemplating on retaking the exam with both sides of the story.
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I scored a 680 on my GMAT. I am thinking about taking it again but took it twice already. I really didnt do well on my Quant but I come from PE/HF for the past 5 years. I also got a high GPA in accounting business. I just am having a tough time getting past the actual exam (I had to take an IQ test for my hedge fund job and got 99th percentile). I know some schools are GMAT junkies but some arent. Should I not take it again and apply to a NYU or take it again and shoot for Columbia or Wharton?
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I admire your confidence. I am in a similar situation, but lacking confidence. I scored a 600 on my first go round and am stressing about whether I should take it over. My top choice is CBS and looking at the average and 80% range I am a little discouraged. Grant it I am a woman and represent the "underrepresented" minority, I am fearful that my performance will hinder my overall package (have an Engineering undergrad degree, but did enough to graduate-slightly below 3.0). Can anyone provide some insight for someone in my case? Should I retake it or focus on building a strong application through essays and recommendations? I appreciate any feedback.
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I admire your confidence. I am in a similar situation, but lacking confidence. I scored a 600 on my first go round and am stressing about whether I should take it over. My top choice is CBS and looking at the average and 80% range I am a little discouraged. Grant it I am a woman and represent the "underrepresented" minority, I am fearful that my performance will hinder my overall package (have an Engineering undergrad degree, but did enough to graduate-slightly below 3.0). Can anyone provide some insight for someone in my case? Should I retake it or focus on building a strong application through essays and recommendations? I appreciate any feedback.


If you are below the 80% range, I would recommend to reconsider. If you lack confidence and discourage, you may be the right person for a class. We have a deal on the Manhattan Class, but I would recommend you also look into Knewton - they provide money back guarantee if you don't get a 50 point improvement - may save energy and nerves, though it does cost $700....

See some of the class reviews here: gmat-prep-courses-classes-reviews-ratings-and-comparison-78451.html

I am usually a self-prep and no-retaking fan, so have crossed 2 of my principles in one message - let me know if you prefer the self-prep route, would be happy to recommend a few books...
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New post 31 Oct 2009, 06:08
Hi - sorry missed your post.

The biggest issue is usually not following the strategies exactly as they are written in the guidebooks. For some mysterious reason people try them, and then feel that they take too long to follow each step and then start cutting corners - the result is exactly what you would expect when cutting corners.
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New post 31 Oct 2009, 16:07
Hi;

I'm in desperate need of advice here - I took the GMAT yesterday, and got a 690 (41Q/43V) as a result. I was a bit frustrated by that score, since I was getting 760 on my PowerPrep Practice tests and 710 on my GMATPrep practice tests. My score in Math was way too low!

So, here is the thing: I'm planning on bidding for a full-time MBA program at either Chicago, Wharton, Kellogg, Harvard, Columbia or the MIT (Chicago and Kellogg are my "top 2" schools). As mentioned, I think I got a pretty low score on Math (with 41Q, I made it only to the 67th perc.), and a rather average overall score (I'm pretty aware that 690 is far from being impressive).

So - what do you guys think? Should I try taking the test again? Do I have any chance of getting into one of the mentioned programs with such a low score in the Quantitative section of the GMAT?

Just to add a little bit of context: I'm already 31 years old and have a pretty solid career as consultant at Accenture.

Thanks in advance for your help.

All the best,
Márcio Guilherme.
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New post 31 Oct 2009, 17:19
Thanks for your answer, bb.

I'll probably take the test again, and will certainly focus most of my time on my Applications. Nonetheless, don't you think a 41Q is a bit low for someone that plans to apply to a Top MBA program? I mean, 690 sounds ok, but I'm afraid that people at the Admission's office of, say, Chicago, will find that a 690 score comprised of 41Q (67%) / 43V (93%) lacks "balance". I'm really, really afraid that a 41Q could send the wrong message to those top schools, that is - I'm afraid their Admission's Office could interpret the data in a way such as "that dude has a good overall score, a good personal background, but seems to lack the intelectual horsepower that our school requires to do the Math our MBA program requires".

What do you think? Should I be worried? Is 41Q enough for a top school such as Chicago, Wharton or Kellogg?

All the best,
Márcio Guilherme.

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New post 28 Nov 2009, 23:29
Hi all,

I took the gmat today and scored 720 (51Q 35V)
Of course, I was happy with the Q score, but the V score just made me want to cry.
I took all the manhattan prep practices and had these 6 scores for verbal, 34, 36, 40, 40, 45
I just can't understand why I did so badly. To insult my own injury, I actually felt good about my answers.

In any case, my current problem is as follows. I have about a month till the R2 deadlines. I'm applying to HBS, MIT, Stanford, Chicago, and Northwestern. My undergrad gpa was 3.4, master's gpa 3.3, and my phd (which i didn't complete) 3.8. I have roughly 6 years of work experience and no significant extracurriculars that are current. Oh and I'll be 33 at matriculation. I keep hearing that age doesn't matter, but looking at the age ranges and the averages, it looks like I'm slightly outside the SD.

I need to do my essays now, but I'm also thinking perhaps I should retake the GMAT at the end of this month. Honestly, I went through hell pulling my verbal score up to 45, and then today I made my second trip there seeing all the fruits of my studying spiral down the toilet.

From a practical point of view, I'm thinking that 720 is good enough (as long as they don't peak at the V score). I also think that the make-it or break-it hinges on my essays. But, this little voice inside of me, coupled with all the ding/admit profiles makes me wonder if that damn 35 V is going to break me.

Anyone care to comment or are in similar positions?
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