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New post 30 Aug 2010, 23:00
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I have a question about retaking/score reports. I took my test 3 years ago and got a 690. I was happy with it so I didn't retake, but now all the GMAT averages have continually gone up so I might retake it. So far on my practices though, I'm not doing any better so I don't want to do worse as others have mentioned as well. If I send schools my score report now, before retaking, would they see if I have another test date scheduled? I'm thinking of being a little sneaky and sending my score report now, and then retaking and if I do better then I would obviously send another score report. I just don't want to do worse than I did 3 years ago.


Hi! Sorry for the delay. Did not see a notification come in.
They won't see a scheduled test on it. However, 690 is very good. There is some mental thing about 700, I agree, it is a score that's stronger by more than 10 points but not sure that it's worth retaking.

Most (99%) schools don't care if you retake multiple times and if the second time is lower than the first.
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New post 17 Oct 2010, 22:13
Hi all!

I took the GMAT yesterday and got 720. While my score is pretty good the split is not that great Q: 47 (77%) and V: 41 (92%). I know that it is recommended to have at least 80% in Q and V so I'm worried that my 77% may become a problem. Also, I scored 730 on GMAT prep 1 (Q:50) and 710 on GMAT prep 2 (Q:49).
Another problem is that the R2 deadlines are approaching and I need to start working on the essays. bb, I think you advised someone to retake the GMAT but to spend 95% of the time on applications and preparing for GMAT by only taking practice tests on weekends until the day of the test. Is that something you would recommend for me too?
One last question. When I took the GMAT yesterday I entered my 5 top schools that I want to apply to and that are going to receive my score. If I retake the GMAT but without entering any schools before I take the test, non of the 5 schools that I picked the first time are going to receive the second score unless I choose to send them a report, right?

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Hi all!

I took the GMAT yesterday and got 720. While my score is pretty good the split is not that great Q: 47 (77%) and V: 41 (92%). I know that it is recommended to have at least 80% in Q and V so I'm worried that my 77% may become a problem. Also, I scored 730 on GMAT prep 1 (Q:50) and 710 on GMAT prep 2 (Q:49).
Another problem is that the R2 deadlines are approaching and I need to start working on the essays. bb, I think you advised someone to retake the GMAT but to spend 95% of the time on applications and preparing for GMAT by only taking practice tests on weekends until the day of the test. Is that something you would recommend for me too?
One last question. When I took the GMAT yesterday I entered my 5 top schools that I want to apply to and that are going to receive my score. If I retake the GMAT but without entering any schools before I take the test, non of the 5 schools that I picked the first time are going to receive the second score unless I choose to send them a report, right?

Thanks in advance!



Congratulations!
I would send the report to the schools anyway, they won't care if you have 2 records and the last one is weaker than the first one.
Otherwise, you can only take gmat on the 17th of November, and you can't request additional score reports to be delivered until your AWA is graded, and then it is additional 2 weeks for them to be delivered, you can end up in a tough situation.

Retake is a tough thing - it may or may not pan out. You definitely fall into the 95/5 category.... perhaps spend some time on Quant (and full length tests - take 2, no need to do more), and mostly do quant during breaks between essays, etc.
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I didnot do enough of CR and RC.Although I participated in GMAT club forums and tried few questions and got it right,I think I was not thorough with the concepts.I did 1000SC's but still SC is a nightmare for me..In quants I got struck with a question and spent too much time on it,hence I didnot do the last 2 questions.
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I think you kind of answered your own question. For the timing issue practice until you can get the question right in less than 3 minutes. If it takes you longer write it down and come back to it later (whether you got it right or wrong). For SC questions, get the MGMAT SC book and study it until you know it inside out. For CR, practice recognizing the patterns, you will see that many questions are structured in a similar way. For RC, practice reading critically tough passages (you may want to spend more time on that if you're a non native speaker like me).

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Hi Guys,

So just a bit about myself, I wrote the GMAT in June 2010 and got a mark of 480 (22V/33Q). Needless to say this really disappointed me, to the point where I was completely discouraged and not until the last few weeks have I decided to give it another go. I'm still not sure what went wrong that day, but my nerves definitely got to me, and at the same time I know that it's only me that's in the way of achieving a high 600 mark.

I studied for 5-6 months prior, taking the Kaplan in class course and than the online one after wards. On my Kaplan practice tests I was averaging scores of 570, and on the GMAT practice test my highest score was a 610. Closer to the exam I also had a tutor that I saw about 5 times,this is where I felt most of my gains were came from. I'm frustrated at the fact that I put 5-6 months of HARD studying into this, by which I mean 3-4 hours a day and about 6-8 hours on the weekend, and obtained only mediocre results. In fact i've NEVER studied this HARD for anything!

Anyways,
I'm at the point now where I want to formulate a strategy so that I can re-write the GMAT by the end of Feb 2011/Early March 2011. Given that I went through many ups and downs during my past experience with studying and writing the practice tests i'm not to sure where to start. I'm contemplating signing up for another Kaplan course,Veristas Prep course, Knewton course, or just signing up for them online I'm not sure what route to take though. I'm a little bit reluctant to take the Kaplan course again because of the past results. I've read the prep course reviews on the website, but i'm still not swayed by any of them really.

For me this seems to be more of a mental battle. I'm able to understand all the concepts and fundamentals of both the Quant and Verbal sections, but what I found to be the most difficult part for me was finishing the exam sections on time. This held my score back a lot!

Currently I have the OG 12 guide and the kaplan books at my disposal. I guess I need some guidance and motivation to get the ball rolling. In addition if anybody knows of a great tutor in the Toronto area that would be helpful as well!?

The stories on this website are a GREAT PRIMER! I'm glad to have found a website that allows oneself to see that they're not the only ones struggling through this.


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If you have done a Kaplan course already, I think you can retake the course for free (not exactly sure the rules).
Another thought is that if you are looking to get a quick course and a different one from Kaplan is to take a look at the offer that Knewton has going (it's been available for 2 weeks now and it is not clear yet when will be pulled). The course is $299 and they offer money back guarantee with 50 point improvement: http://www.knewton.com/blog/gmatclub-holiday

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Can you tell us more about your strategy for the first test? I took the Kaplan prep class but in hindsight I think that using the MGMAT books would have been enough. A prep class is good if you're not disciplined enough to study by yourself but if you're really committed you probably won't need it. However if you're having troubles understanding the math concepts or the grammar rules then a prep class may help. It's always easier to talk about problems that you run into with an instructor than trying to figure out the solution by yourself.

bseb, I self studied for the first test. I used kaplan books and OG. I also went through 2 chapters of powerscore CR. I gave 7-8 prep tests under times conditions and was scoring 550 average on all of them. Don't know what went wrong in the test :oops: .
I'm ok with my math. I just need a refresher,which probably some strategy guide like MGMAT books will help accomplish. Verbal(hell!!!) - I'm having trouble with understanding the concepts. Not sure if any prep classes hold verbal classes only. I"ll need to find out. I'm pretty disciplined with my study schedules but get caught up with some concepts,especially in verbal, here and there. I doubt if the instructors at a prep class really take the interest to help us with our questions. I had a few freinds attend kaplan/MGMAT classes and said the classes were great to get them on track and act as a refresher but no one had a lot of personal help on their problems. So, I wonder if some good books alone will help me.
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For someone shooting for scholarships - is it worth a retake after the Application deadline to try to get my score up? My current score is 660. I would love to get a 690 or above to make me more competitive for scholarships. Specifically, at Columbia where the deadline is Jan 5th for merit fellowships. I cannot retake until Jan 19th. Any suggestions?


I think it is definitely worth a shot once the stress of the deadlines and essays is gone but if you have taken the gmat a few months ago, chances are you don't remember much. Other challenge is that many schools announce scholarship decisions in conjunction with admit, or the period of time between admit and scholarship announcement is very short.

I think it is worth a shot but I am not sure how much you can do change at this point esp in your Columbia situation...
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I am planning to retake GMAT. Scored 710 ( 48Q 39V ) on my first attempts studying only from OG, however i couldn't make it to any of the schools on my list. Hope to make a new start with MGMAT books. Any suggestions for prep???
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This my suggestion - hopefully it works, though 710 is a pretty good score already... you are at or above average for pretty much all schools of your choice.


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Folks – I have been following GMATClub for some time now and thought of sharing my dilemma with all of you guys – I am sure I can benefit with the combined wisdom of the folks here.

I belong to the dreaded category of Indian IT Male and hence target score for me is 730+ for good schools in Asia/Europe/US.

I first wrote my GMAT in October 2010 with reasonable preparation – largely focused on OG 11 and OG 12, MGMAT SC and few full tests from Kaplan and GMATPrep. The lowest score I got was 640 and closer to test date; I was hitting close to 680 in Kaplan tests and thought that I was ready to score in the vicinity of 700 at the real thing. I wrote the test only to end up with a disappointing 640 (Q48, V29). I thought that my preparation was severely lacking and I need to do a lot more to really reach my target score.

In February this year, I started thinking about the second attempt and finished following material over 3 months or so:

Quant – OG 11 and 12, GMATClub forum questions (and there are lots of them and really good quality too)

Verbal:

Apart from OG 11 and 12, I also finished following material for specific sections

SC – MGMAT SC, Aristotle SC grail
CR – Powerscore bible
RC – RC99

I also took lot of full CATs once my material was over. Following are my scores for those CATS

MGMAT
1: 710
2: 700
3: 750
4: 730
5:770

Kaplan
1:690
2:700
3:690

GMATPrep
1:710
2: 740
1 (Reinstall): 660 – I did this immediately after I finished MGMAT 5 (complete four hours) and realized that it is futile to write a test when one is extremely tired and drained out
2 (Reinstall): 760

My lowest Quant score was 49 and verbal score range was 36-45. Only once (in the GMATPrep 660 one), I got 32 in verbal.

Finishing all the material and armed with consistent CAT scores across tests (GMATclub score predictor was predicting a 730 score), I was feeling confident of getting around 730 at the real thing.

On the day of the exam, this is how it all went:

AWA – went pretty OK – I used chineseburned’s template and thought I did pretty OK on the section.

QA

The section started as a breeze – at least till 15th question, I felt completely in command of the section and thought I was managing pretty well and kept solving every question that came my way. Next thing I remember is having about 15 minutes left for last ten questions – I felt myself rushing through last ten questions and got a feeling that I had to make 2-3 wild guesses. Overall, I thought I lost my way a little in the end.

VA

The section was going OK – was not sure of my accuracy for some CR questions. RC is generally my weak area and hence I was not sure if I was doing well there or not. But, I had felt such uncertainty every time in practice CATs and broadly did OK there, so I kept going. Here again, I realized that I had 9 more questions to go with only 15 minutes left and then I got a long RC passage, completely messing up my time management. Like Quant, again I felt I rushed through in the last 8-9 questions and felt a little let down with that aspect of my performance.

In the end, I managed a poor score of 660 (Q47, V34). I had managed 5 points improvement in Verbal but lost a point in Quant and overall managed to pull up my score by just 20 points - nowhere close to my practice scores or the scores that I need to make my application competitive.

Questions I am grappling with now are:

1. Should I retake the test? If yes, what more can I do and how do I check if I have really made progress in my preparation?
2. Should I blame my overall low score on just the time amanagement issue in last 10 problems in both sections or does this score indiscate that I am being naïve in believing that my preparation levels are at 730+ right now.
3. I never felt timing stress in any of the practice CATs I took. The questions I saw in test were very similar to OG and GMATPrep kind of questions, so what could have led to timing issues on the real test.
4. If I sould retake, should I do this at the earliest opportunity 931 days) or should I wait for 2-3 months or so.

Comments/suggestions/help welcome.
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Hi,

I am quite disappointed, yet determined for a re-match. My score, 550 (Q-45 V-21), was far below my expectations. Apparently, I am planning to re-schedule in a months time and wonder if you share a study plan. Following are my weakest sections ordered chronologically:

1. SC => kills me
2. RC => Quite fine but not too much to be happy about
3. CR => Fair
4. DS => Average
5. PS => Comfortable except 1 or 2 tricky questions

I am all motivated to acquire 700+ status and ready to put ample efforts.... Kindly assist.
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New post 16 Jul 2011, 18:56
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Hi,

I am quite disappointed, yet determined for a re-match. My score, 550 (Q-45 V-21), was far below my expectations. Apparently, I am planning to re-schedule in a months time and wonder if you share a study plan. Following are my weakest sections ordered chronologically:

1. SC => kills me
2. RC => Quite fine but not too much to be happy about
3. CR => Fair
4. DS => Average
5. PS => Comfortable except 1 or 2 tricky questions

I am all motivated to acquire 700+ status and ready to put ample efforts.... Kindly assist.



In that case, looks like you need a grammar book and my recommendation for RC is reading articles/text/books/etc, my suggestion is gmat fiction
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New post 23 Jul 2011, 07:34
Hello Everyone,

My issue is similar to what a lot of people have already mentioned in this thread.

I am a 28 year old entrepreneur from India with 6 years of work experience including 3 years of experience working as a SAP BI consultant and the reminder as the CEO of an Engineering Manufacturing Plant (Family Owned). I am also serving as a Director and stake holder in a Ferro Alloys Manufacturing Unit in India for the last 2 years. My GMAT score is 660 (Q49 and V31). My under-grad background is that of a Mechanical Engineer with a CGPA of 3.3

I am interested in joining the Full time MBA Program in some of the top 25 colleges. I was wondering if anyone can please provide me with an honest opinion if my GMAT score and background allows me a good chance to get into them or should I work towards improving my GMAT score. The colleges that I am looking at are Duke University (Fuqua) , University of Virginia (Darden) , Emory University (Goizueta) and University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler). Although I had aspirations to apply for a couple of top 10 B-schools but I dont think I have too much of a chance with my GMAT score.

My GMAT score of 660 is within the 80% range in most of the above universities (its usually 640-750, so rather on the lower edges) for the class of 2012(even some of the top 10 ones have taken 660 students). But I am really confused about my score in GMAT. Fistly, I have no idea where I messed up in verbal. My quant score was 49 but I knew I botched a couple of questions so I am not complaining but I dont 31 in quants and that was the lowest I ever got in any GMAT prep tests.My GMAT score was lower than anything I got in GMAT prep or Kaplan test or GMAT club tests (barring the 1st one I took to check my level).I have always scored more than 36 in verbal. Total score 670,710,690,690,730,740, in Kaplan tests and 640, 710, 730,740 in Gmat Prep.

Secondly, is my score is good enough to get me into a top 25 B-school or should I consider reappearing?

Any advices would be welcome coz at this point I am extremely confused coz if I miss the bus for 2012 session then my chances of MBA are a gone for good, so have to make it stick and reappearing is sticky because it will be hard for me to manage to reappear GMAT again,work on my applications and manage my professional commitments. But if I have to reappear GMAT I will do it.

Also, any idea where I can ask for my profile to be reviewed is also welcome.

Thank you

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I think you don't need to retake your GMAT. Don't misunderstand me - it would be great and helpful but based on what I have read, it does not sound it will be productive.
I would recommend a few things:
1. Get another opinion, perhaps from an admissions consultant here: http://gmatclub.com/forum/admission-consultants-124/ they may be much more familiar with your schools and know reasons to or not to take the GMAT again.
2. Start working on the essays ASAP
3. Try improving your verbal on the back side by reading books, see GMAT Fiction list I put together. This will help you with proper English and essay writing and also should you finish your essays earlier, you can consider retaking and by that time hopefully your verbal level will be much stronger.

Bottom line, it is very possible to get in with your score but that depends on your Letters of Recommendation and your Essays, more so than the GMAT.


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Hi
I gave my GMAT on this Friday. I got a 680 (a bit disappointed)
I got 48 in Quant and 35 in Verbal.
I have a BE degree in Mechanical Engineering. I have worked in the Oil Field (Baker Hughes) for 3 years.
I am looking at Nanyang and York University (canada).
Do I need to give the GMAT again?

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I gave my GMAT on this Friday. I got a 680 (a bit disappointed)
I got 48 in Quant and 35 in Verbal.
I have a BE degree in Mechanical Engineering. I have worked in the Oil Field (Baker Hughes) for 3 years.
I am looking at Nanyang and York University (canada).
Do I need to give the GMAT again?

Thanks
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You should be all set - even for HBS!
The only thing I would check is perhaps with admissions to see if they have a GMAT-based scholarships and if they feel you need a higher score to qualify (some schools do but most dont).
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Hi Experts,
I wrote my gmat exam two days before and ended up getting a 600 (48 Q, 25 v).I am still shattered because of getting such a low score.I have given around 30 mocks ,but never got less than 610 ( except for the Kaplan 2nd test ,in which I scored a 590).In fact ,before starting the preparation,only once I got a 610 in the diagnostic test.After that I put in a lot of effort continuously for two months, studying around six hours a day before taking the test. My Mgmat test scores( 650, 670, 630, 660) and kaplan CD test scores (620,590) were also decent in comparision with the actual score.Two days before taking the test I wrote the GMAT prep test-2 and scored a 740.In addition, I left one verbal questions unmarked during the actual test because of time constrain( I guess leaving a questions unmarked impacts the overall score).I felt that SC questions in the actual test were very strange (if not difficult) than those I had gone through and I did not spend too much time on them as I would have left with very less time for CRs and RCs.So I guess that it was majorly the Sentence correction protion,which I had mainly foused on during preparation, of the test that destroyed the party;though I am not very confident in saying that.
My academics are not very bad with X-80%,XII-80%,BE-72%.I have an overall experience of around 4 years with an MNC in the field of IT and have lot many things to decorate my essay ( white papers, have a BA degree in Music ,have a music band of my own,did some NGO work etc.)
I just want to ask whether I should retake the exam or just give it up.I have already gone through almost all of the important materials such as Manhattan(SC,CR, RC), power score CR bible, 1000 SC,1000 CR(left with a few of them).Now I am only left with the KAPLAN book to study.Please suggest whether I should take the test again or not.
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Hi Experts,
I wrote my gmat exam two days before and ended up getting a 600 (48 Q, 25 v).I am still shattered because of getting such a low score.I have given around 30 mocks ,but never got less than 610 ( except for the Kaplan 2nd test ,in which I scored a 590).In fact ,before starting the preparation,only once I got a 610 in the diagnostic test.After that I put in a lot of effort continuously for two months, studying around six hours a day before taking the test. My Mgmat test scores( 650, 670, 630, 660) and kaplan CD test scores (620,590) were also decent in comparision with the actual score.Two days before taking the test I wrote the GMAT prep test-2 and scored a 740.In addition, I left one verbal questions unmarked during the actual test because of time constrain( I guess leaving a questions unmarked impacts the overall score).I felt that SC questions in the actual test were very strange (if not difficult) than those I had gone through and I did not spend too much time on them as I would have left with very less time for CRs and RCs.So I guess that it was majorly the Sentence correction protion,which I had mainly foused on during preparation, of the test that destroyed the party;though I am not very confident in saying that.
My academics are not very bad with X-80%,XII-80%,BE-72%.I have an overall experience of around 4 years with an MNC in the field of IT and have lot many things to decorate my essay ( white papers, have a BA degree in Music ,have a music band of my own,did some NGO work etc.)
I just want to ask whether I should retake the exam or just give it up.I have already gone through almost all of the important materials such as Manhattan(SC,CR, RC), power score CR bible, 1000 SC,1000 CR(left with a few of them).Now I am only left with the KAPLAN book to study.Please suggest whether I should take the test again or not.


abhishek1234,

Sorry to hear that. After much studying, I think you'll realize that doing well on the GMAT is not about doing thousands of questions. Sure--several hundred is good practice. But if you're still not improving after a thousand--then clearly there's something in your thought process that needs to be changed.

When you say "now I am only left with the Kaplan book"--I get the sense that you're not on the right track. It's not about exhausting all books.

This is a critical reasoning logical fallacy.
You seem to be thinking: "If I go through all books --> then I will ace GMAT"

This is not right! You can go through all books and still not reach your goal. Recognizing this train of thought is also important for doing well on the CR section.

What you need to do is change the way you think.

Once you learn how to think differently--you'll be able to go back to all those thousands of questions and re-attempt those in a timed condition.


Lastly, since you say you did well on the practice tests but not as well on the actual---consider the importance of psychology and timing strategies on the actual exam.

Hope that helps. And remember, we're here to help.
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I, like so many others on this thread, am struggling with whether or not I should rewrite the GMAT. I took the exam on August 2, and scored a 680, which was much lower than I was expecting based on my practice exams which typically were between 720-750. I got a 44 on the quant section (lower than expected) and 40 on the verbal (expected). I am still waiting for my AWA report but expect that they should be adequate.

Although I know that this is an above average score I am struggling because I really want to apply to the top tier B-schools in the states, including HBS's 2+2 program, whose average GMAT score is around 720!

That being said, I also have a very high GPA (3.9+), am female (not sure if this gives me a demographic advantage or not), will graduate a double major in mathematics and philosophy from a top undergraduate Canadian university, research experience, paper publications, and a number of undergraduate scholarships and awards.

Also, I understand that you need to have 31 days between rewrites? Or is it just once per month maximum? Because the only possible date in September I can write is the 1st, since I have to return to my studies, and my university is not located near a testing centre. So having written on Aug 2, would I be allowed to even register for an exam on Sept 1?

Any advice? To rewrite or not to rewrite... that is the question!
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