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I’m going to point out “Definite errors” in the options directly as the sentence is easily understood, I feel.

A) use of “them”

B) compares cat to a fox’s tail

C) the sentence here starts off nice... but cat, which — . A cat can’t help a fox jump.. also I would prefer using “like” here than “similar to”

D) it looks like the perfect one, but wait... no parallelism in the end. In case you missed it, read carefully. Also with pouncing is but right.

E) no error. List in the end is good too
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B. It actually doesn't compare a cat to a fox's tail. It says "that of a cat."Instead, it fails to define what part of a cat is similar to a fox's tail. We still don't know what "that of a cat" is referring to.
And if you look at the second part of the sentence, it is connected very poorly. (example below)

First part: The tails of cats and foxes are similar
Second part: The tail helps the fox to balance when X, Y and Z.

D. The problem is not parallelism. Instead the meaning is the problem.
"Like a cat’s tail, a fox’s tail is similar, and helps it to balance when..."
The clause "a fox's tail is similar" technically contains the subject and the verb.

Let's attack it from a few different directions.

1. A fox's tail is similar and helps it to balance when... Similar to what? Similar to "Like a cat's tail?"
2. Like a cats tail, a fox's tail is similar. And helps it to balance... If we read the sentence this way, it is again poorly connected. What helps who to balance? The cat or the fox?
3. Like a cats tail, and helps it to balance when... If we read "a fox's tail is similar" as a nonessential modifier, which it isn't, the sentence still doesn't make any sense.
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Can you elaborate a bit on similar to vs like here ?

Also I want to confirm, the errors I pointed out, in all options including B and D, can they be considered useful to eliminate if one doesn’t have such deep knowledge or knowing these details are essential to do well on SC ?

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Also, it may seem that which noun or pronoun the pronoun “it” refers to is ambiguous, since “fox’s,” “tail,” “that,” and “cat” all precede “it” in the sentence. However, since “fox’s tail” is the clearly the subject of “helps,” and since the fox’s tail would help the fox, we can tell that “it” refers to “fox.”


Hi MartyTargetTestPrep

For that very reason of possessive noun i eliminated this option. I know this is the best among the lot since no error is found till i reach 'it' which logically refers to fox.
I understand that possessive would not have been a problem had 'its' or any other form of possessive was used in the sentence.

Logically I get the point but grammatically I can't figure out how 'E' is right.

Can you help.!! Would appreciate your inputs!!

TIA
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Hi MartyTargetTestPrep

For that very reason of possessive noun i eliminated this option. I know this is the best among the lot since no error is found till i reach 'it' which logically refers to fox.
I understand that possessive would not have been a problem had 'its' or any other form of possessive was used in the sentence.

Logically I get the point but grammatically I can't figure out how 'E' is right.

Can you help.!! Would appreciate your inputs!!

TIA

There is some debate regarding whether it makes sense to use a personal pronoun when the only logical referent is a noun that appears in the possessive form, and the GMAT has come down on the side of such use being acceptable, as we can tell from the fact that personal pronouns are used in this way in the correct answers to multiple Sentence Correction questions.

Generally speaking, by the way, GMAT SC question writers tend to push the boundaries of acceptability in writing Official Answers in order to obscure the fact that the Official Answers are the Official Answers. So, if a version seems logical, but seems to break a grammar rule, you have to consider the possibility that the writer feels that that rule is not a hard and fast one and has decided to ignore it.
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There is some debate regarding whether it makes sense to use a personal pronoun when the only logical referent is a noun that appears in the possessive form, and the GMAT has come down on the side of such use being acceptable, as we can tell from the fact that personal pronouns are used in this way in the correct answers to multiple Sentence Correction questions.

Generally speaking, by the way, GMAT SC question writers tend to push the boundaries of acceptability in writing Official Answers in order to obscure the fact that the Official Answers are the Official Answers. So, if a version seems logical, but seems to break a grammar rule, you have to consider the possibility that the writer feels that that rule is not a hard and fast one and has decided to ignore it.


Thanks Marty for a prompt answer.

Found an official question where similar pronoun/possessive noun thing is tested.

Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(B) their previous campaigns had had
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign

But here all four (A to D) use plural noun for 'army' singular noun hence it was easier to eliminate them.

I will take the underlined part and remember it. :)
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Similar to a cat, a fox’s tail helps them to balance when they are running, jumping or pouncing.

    A. Similar to a cat, a fox’s tail helps them to balance when they are

    B. When compared with that of a cat, a fox’s tail is similar, helping the fox to balance when

    C. A fox’s tail is similar to that of a cat, which helps the fox to balance when

    D. Like a cat’s tail, a fox’s tail is similar, and helps it to balance when

    E. A fox’s tail, similar to that of a cat, helps it to balance when


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The spoiler says that the correct answer is E, but E is not legit to me. In E, fox’s is adjective. We can't use any non-possessive pronoun (it) of this Possessive Noun ( fox’s ); we must use the Possessive Pronoun (its) of possessive noun fox’s. At least, I never see this type of use in any official SC. Help me if I miss anything here, please.
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The spoiler says that the correct answer is E, but E is not legit to me. In E, fox’s is adjective. We can't use any objective form (it) of this Possessive Noun ( fox’s ); we must use the Possessive Pronoun (its) of possessive noun fox’s. At least, I never see this type of use in any official SC. Help me if I miss anything here, please.
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Hi Asad.

Actually, there are official SC questions in which, in the correct answers, the only logical referents of personal pronouns are nouns in the possessive form.

For further discussion of this topic, please see the posts preceding yours in this thread.
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Asad wrote:
MartyTargetTestPrep
The spoiler says that the correct answer is E, but E is not legit to me. In E, fox’s is adjective. We can't use any objective form (it) of this Possessive Noun ( fox’s ); we must use the Possessive Pronoun (its) of possessive noun fox’s. At least, I never see this type of use in any official SC. Help me if I miss anything here, please.
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Hi Asad.

Actually, there are official SC questions in which, in the correct answers, the only logical referents of personal pronouns are nouns in the possessive form.

For further discussion of this topic, please see the posts preceding yours in this thread.

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Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(B) their previous campaigns had had
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign

Are you talking about this one sir? Could you make connection this quote part with the highlighted part, please? Actually, I did not find any consistency this official question (Although Napoleon's....) with your BETA version (Similar to a cat...)!
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MartyTargetTestPrep wrote:
Asad wrote:
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The spoiler says that the correct answer is E, but E is not legit to me. In E, fox’s is adjective. We can't use any objective form (it) of this Possessive Noun ( fox’s ); we must use the Possessive Pronoun (its) of possessive noun fox’s. At least, I never see this type of use in any official SC. Help me if I miss anything here, please.
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Hi Asad.

Actually, there are official SC questions in which, in the correct answers, the only logical referents of personal pronouns are nouns in the possessive form.

For further discussion of this topic, please see the posts preceding yours in this thread.

Quote:
Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

(A) they had in their previous campaigns
(B) their previous campaigns had had
(C) they had for any previous campaign
(D) in their previous campaigns
(E) for any previous campaign

Are you talking about this one sir? Could you make connection this quote part with the highlighted part, please? Actually, I did not find any consistency this official question (Although Napoleon's....) with your BETA version (Similar to a cat...)!
Thnaks_-

I was not talking about that one. Here's one: https://gmatclub.com/forum/although-she ... 08881.html
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Asad wrote:
MartyTargetTestPrep
The spoiler says that the correct answer is E, but E is not legit to me. In E, fox’s is adjective. We can't use any non-possessive pronoun (it) of this Possessive Noun ( fox’s ); we must use the Possessive Pronoun (its) of possessive noun fox’s. At least, I never see this type of use in any official SC. Help me if I miss anything here, please.
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Hi Asad.

Actually, there are official SC questions in which, in the correct answers, the only logical referents of personal pronouns are nouns in the possessive form.

For further discussion of this topic, please see the posts preceding yours in this thread.

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Thank you sir for citing the official question, which is considered the exceptional one (some people consider it as exceptional).

Quote:
Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.

(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.

Sir,
In D, possessive noun (Elizabeth Barrett Browning's) with possessive pronoun (her) is perfectly fine. But, the problem is in "possessive noun" ( Elizabeth Barrett Browning's ) with "non-possessive pronoun" ( she ). We did not directly get this "non-possessive pronoun" (she) from "possessive noun" (Elizabeth Barrett Browning's); we got "possessive pronoun" (her) first. From my understanding, "possessive pronoun" (her) with "non-possessive pronoun" (she) make sense at least for this case!
But, non-possessive pronoun (it) with "Possessive Noun" ( fox’s ) does not make sense to me without having any indication of Possessive Pronoun (its) in a same sentence. Could you shade more lights on it, please? Thanks__
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Asad wrote:
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The spoiler says that the correct answer is E, but E is not legit to me. In E, fox’s is adjective. We can't use any non-possessive pronoun (it) of this Possessive Noun ( fox’s ); we must use the Possessive Pronoun (its) of possessive noun fox’s. At least, I never see this type of use in any official SC. Help me if I miss anything here, please.
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Hi Asad.

Actually, there are official SC questions in which, in the correct answers, the only logical referents of personal pronouns are nouns in the possessive form.

For further discussion of this topic, please see the posts preceding yours in this thread.

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Thank you sir for citing the official question, which is considered the exceptional one (some people consider it as exceptional).

Quote:
Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

(B) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.

(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.

(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.

Sir,
In D, possessive noun (Elizabeth Barrett Browning's) with possessive pronoun (her) is perfectly fine. But, the problem is in "possessive noun" ( Elizabeth Barrett Browning's ) with "non-possessive pronoun" ( she ). We did not directly get this "non-possessive pronoun" (she) from "possessive noun" (Elizabeth Barrett Browning's); we got "possessive pronoun" (her) first. From my understanding, "possessive pronoun" (her) with "non-possessive pronoun" (she) make sense at least for this case!
But, non-possessive pronoun (it) with "Possessive Noun" ( fox’s ) does not make sense to me without having any indication of Possessive Pronoun (its) in a same sentence. Could you shade more lights on it, please? Thanks__

1. The presence of "her" between "Elizabeth Barrett Browning's" and "she" makes absolutely no difference. "Her" is a derivative of "Elizabeth Barrett Browning's" and does not change the logic of what is going on. Whether "she" refers to "Elizabeth Barrett Browning's" or to "her," "she" is still referring to something possessive rather than something nominative.

2. This question is not a single exception. There are other GMAT Sentence Correction correct answers in which personal pronouns refer to nouns in the possessive form.

3. Having a personal pronoun refer to a noun in the possessive form is considered an acceptable structure by many linguists outside of the GMAT. Since, any linguistic structure that is considered acceptable by many may show up in a correct answer to a Sentence Correction question even if that structure has not before shown up in the correct answer to a Sentence Correction question, one has to be ready to see this structure and other structures that some consider incorrect show up in correct answers to Sentence Correction questions.
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Is this a official gmat question? How on earth E is a right answer. I simply don't understand what 'it' is referring to.

I would pick C if I have to pick among all these options. However, C has ambiguity issue as well.

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Okay example(Although Napoleon’s army entered..) i shared is not exactly testing the issue being discussed here. Here one i found after a lot of search .. https://gmatclub.com/forum/schistosomia ... 48535.html

There's bit of confusion left after going through explanations of experts.
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Similar to a cat, a fox’s tail helps them to balance when they are running, jumping or pouncing.

A. Similar to a cat, a fox’s tail helps them to balance when they are - cat and fox's tail are incorrectly compared

B. When compared with that of a cat, a fox’s tail is similar, helping the fox to balance when - which part of the cat is being compared to a fox's tail

C. A fox’s tail is similar to that of a cat, which helps the fox to balance when - is it the cat helping the fox to balance?

D. Like a cat’s tail, a fox’s tail is similar, and helps it to balance when - similar to what?

E. A fox’s tail, similar to that of a cat, helps it to balance when

E is Correct
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