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When it reads clearly perfect, ignore the rules.. and that's how I got B. :)


Is years countable or uncountable?

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Time, Money, and Distance are exceptions.

Whenever, you're in doubt regarding 'fewer' vs. 'less', do the below.

If the sentence is talking about years, say to yourself - 3 years is less than 5 years. Yes, sounds good.
If the sentence is talking about tomatoes, say to yourself - 3 tomatoes are lesser than 5 tomatoes. No, it doesn't sound good. It has to be: 3 tomatoes are fewer than 5 tomatoes.
If the sentence is talking about dollar bills, say to yourself - 3 dollar bills are lesser than 5 dollar bills. No, it doesn't sound good. It has to be: 3 dollar bills are fewer than 5 dollar bills.

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Since 1966, roughly 21 percent of those enlisted in the USMC had reached
an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years
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(A) had reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years
(B) have reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years
(C) have reached an E-5 ranking in under three years
(D) had reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years
(E) have reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years



The logic is simple. The time frame talked about is 3 years since 1966. Present perfect tenses always show some connection between what happened in the past and the present situation. It cannot be applied here as the time frame in the question is only in the past.

Between fewer and less, it is quite evident; when we ask the question how many?, we use "fewer", if we ask how much?, it would have been "less"

Hope it helps.

OA is also A i guess

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Since 1966, roughly 21 percent of those enlisted in the USMC had reached
an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years
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(A) had reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years
(B) have reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years
(C) have reached an E-5 ranking in under three years
(D) had reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years
(E) have reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years



The logic is simple. The time frame talked about is 3 years since 1966. Present perfect tenses always show some connection between what happened in the past and the present situation. It cannot be applied here as the time frame in the question is only in the past.

Between fewer and less, it is quite evident; when we ask the question how many?, we use "fewer", if we ask how much?, it would have been "less"

Hope it helps.

OA is also A i guess

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refer this gmat prep question::
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/les ... t4355.html

less than is used with years.
Years is a unit and quantities measured in units are uncountable. e.g money, time or distance.

fewer than 3 years : is not correct.
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had reached vs have reached ?!?!?

Anyone care to comment on this?

I prefer have reached..

E for me.

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Following is a link by Mike, he says that we have to use "Less" when numbers are involved.
Thus the answer would in-fact be "B". *remembered the rule only after getting it wrong*

http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/gmat-comparisons-more-vs-greater-and-less-vs-fewer/

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Since 1966, roughly 21 percent of those enlisted in the USMC had reached
an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years
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(A) had reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years
(B) have reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years
(C) have reached an E-5 ranking in under three years
(D) had reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years
(E) have reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years


B.
Since is used and there is no hint of an action completed in past. ( Either the sentence is wrong or it has been taken out of a context we are not able to comprehend, for that we
would need to see whole para). Less than three years is correct because whenever UNITS are compared we use less and not few. )

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I dont think we can use had reached with Since. IT should Be option B

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Option B "have reached" makes sense because its not an event of the past..

The sentence uses "since" which shows the event commenced then.

Hence IMO B.

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First of all we can use less than 3 years but....

He took LESS than three years of TIME / He took FEWER than THREE YEARS

Therefore B and D out, also C because of "under"

>>confusion is between A and E. Rest choices are out due to the above reasons

It is correct that we need "have" with since but in this question the event is over

"Have" is required for the event started in the past at some indefinite time and the effect of event is still ongoing.

In this question we are stating the event, started in 1966 and ended in or before 1969. So in a way now we know that event has ended in the past. So here we need "Had"

Therefore it's A.

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A. had reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years

B. have reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years

C. have reached an E-5 ranking in under three years

D. had reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years

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A. had reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years

B. have reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years

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D. had reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years

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Although i picked B
,there is heavy debate over usage of less than or fewer in reference to year

Some say years as uncountable some say its countable

As OA given is B years can be considered as uncountable

Experts please help if years is countable or uncountable

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Since 1966, roughly 21 percent of those enlisted in the USMC had reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years.

A. had reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years

B. have reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years

C. have reached an E-5 ranking in under three years

D. had reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years

E. have reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years


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Since 1966, roughly 21 percent of those enlisted in the USMC had reached
an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years
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(A) had reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years
(B) have reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years
(C) have reached an E-5 ranking in under three years
(D) had reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years
(E) have reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years


1. Had implies that an event got over. 'Since 1966' implies from '1966 to now'. A fancy word for this concept is 'Present Participle'. In the sentence we are talking about something that started in the past and is continuing up untill now. Thus we need 'Present Participle. Eliminate A&D
2.Fewer- Countable Nouns- There are fewer children in Class X than in Class Y.
Less- Uncountable Nouns. There is less water is the tank.
Less is also used for 3 other things 1.Time, 2.Money, and 3.distance.
Eg- You can reach Bangalore in less than 3 hours.
Although this job is good, it pays less.

3. We are using a 'time frame' thus we need 'in less than three years'. Eliminate C&E. B is correct

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Since 1966, roughly 21 percent of those enlisted in the USMC had reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years.

A. had reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years

B. have reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years

C. have reached an E-5 ranking in under three years

D. had reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years

E. have reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years


Please Explain why option E is incorrect


Hi,
In option E fewer doesnt specify the time accurately in which people reached their ranking. Time period may be same or may not be for all , hence for undefined time period ' less' is more appropriate .
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IMHO (B)

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A. had reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years

B. have reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years

C. have reached an E-5 ranking in under three years

D. had reached an E-5 ranking in less than three years

E. have reached an E-5 ranking in fewer than three years



Why is E incorrect?

Don't we have to use fewer for countable items?

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IMO B also makes more grammatical sense despite the fact that years can be viewed as countable/ uncountable.


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I could see many people are not clear on why E is correct. Here is the explanation:

Fewer refers to things that are countable.

Examples:
We had fewer people at the fundraiser than we had hoped.
Fewer tornadoes occurred this year than last year.

Less refers to things that are not countable.

Examples:
Sue has less concern for her dog’s safety now that the backyard fence is completed.
Less talking would help my concentration.

However, the expression less than is used in front of a plural noun that denotes a measure of distance, amount, or time.
Examples:
We will go on vacation in less than four weeks.
She owes him less than $30.
We had less than 25 miles to go but ran out of gas.

Everyone must learn this rule.

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i cannot understand why is Had used with since

those 3 years occured in a way after 1966 where only 21 could reach the E-5 ranking that too within 3 years.

since and had do't fit please explain.

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