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23 Mar 2013, 05:36
rohitgoel15 wrote:
Since Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible, she will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission. Lee has wanted that job for a long time, and Drabble owes Lee a lot for his support in the last election.
Which one of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
(A) Mayor Drabble has no political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.
(B) There is no one to whom Mayor Drabble owes a greater political debt for support in the last election than the political debt she owes to Lee.
(C) Lee is the only person to whom Mayor Drabble owes a political debt who would be willing to accept an appointment from her as the new head of the arts commission.
(D) Whether Lee is qualified to head the arts commission is irrelevant to Mayor Drabble’s decision.
(E) The only way that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee is by appointing him to head the arts commission.

Between A and E. Please exlpain ur ans.

Premise 1:Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible,

Premise 2:Drabble owes Lee a lot for his support in the last election

Premise 3: Lee has wanted that job of head of the arts commission.for a long time,

Conclusion: Drabble will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission.

Since this is an assumption question, the negation of right choice should,

(i) negate the premise or,
(ii) negate the conclusion

To do (i), the negation of the choice should show

(a) that Drabble does not always repay her political debts as soon as possible. This will negate premise 1. Or,
(b) that Drabble did not really owe Lee much. This would negate premise 2. Or,
(c) that Lee really did not want the job that Drabble has to offer. This will weaken premise 3.

To do (ii), the choice should show there is another reason why Drabble would not appoint Lee to the job. That would override the premises given and in turn would negate the conclusion.

Only negation of choice A does one of the above because it means that Drabble has a political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission. The underlined parts indicate exactly the reason why Lee was considered but because the debt this choice talks about being of longer standing, and since Drabble repays her debt as soon as possible, Lee would not be given top priority for the job. Thus this negates the conclusion.

Negation of Choice E which is, Drabble could repay her political debt to Lee in ways other than by giving him the job he wanted,

This does not do (i)a , (i)b, (i)c or (ii) as indicated above i.e., it neither negates the premises nor the conclusion. So it is not the answer.
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22 Oct 2013, 06:16
Nice explanation!

I also picked E despite looking for a MUST BE TRUE option. In many ways this is similar to the weakner alternate cause discussion I've seen on this forum by e-gmat.

Conclusion says: X led to Y -> here an alternate cause Z can weaken the conclusion. e.g.- Z led to Y
BUT, if conclusion says: X CAN/WILL lead to Y -> here an alternate cause Z cannot weaken the conclusion. e.g.- Z can lead to Y. This is irrelevant to the argument as even though it COULD produce the same result it doesn't weaken the SPECIFIC scenario under consideration (i.e. CAN X lead to Y)

Karishma let me know if my understanding is incorrect.

Great question by the way!
My take-aways:
1. Watch out for shell-game answer choices! I marked A but got so excited to see E that I totally dumped A. Always always always evaluate between your 2 tricky remaining answers and figure out which one is MORE wrong and then eliminate this choice! Get present to the traps - for assumption: out of scope / irrelevant, MUST be true vs. COULD be true
2. Assumptions are necessary conditions not sufficient (telling myself 10 times right now!)
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23 Oct 2013, 23:50
sidvish wrote:
Nice explanation!

I also picked E despite looking for a MUST BE TRUE option. In many ways this is similar to the weakner alternate cause discussion I've seen on this forum by e-gmat.

Conclusion says: X led to Y -> here an alternate cause Z can weaken the conclusion. e.g.- Z led to Y
BUT, if conclusion says: X CAN/WILL lead to Y -> here an alternate cause Z cannot weaken the conclusion. e.g.- Z can lead to Y. This is irrelevant to the argument as even though it COULD produce the same result it doesn't weaken the SPECIFIC scenario under consideration (i.e. CAN X lead to Y)

Karishma let me know if my understanding is incorrect.

Great question by the way!
My take-aways:
1. Watch out for shell-game answer choices! I marked A but got so excited to see E that I totally dumped A. Always always always evaluate between your 2 tricky remaining answers and figure out which one is MORE wrong and then eliminate this choice! Get present to the traps - for assumption: out of scope / irrelevant, MUST be true vs. COULD be true
2. Assumptions are necessary conditions not sufficient (telling myself 10 times right now!)

I get your point and here is how I will word it:
Conclusion says: X will lead to Y.
Here we don't need to assume that only X can lead to Y.

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24 Oct 2013, 03:23
I think the main point here is "as soon as possible", which means that if there is someone waiting for a longer time and who is willing to have the same job, he will therefore get it before Lee.

So the argument depends on the fact that the Mayor Drabble do not owes a longer poilitical debt than Lee's debt.

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06 Nov 2014, 00:19
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rohitgoel15 wrote:
Since Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible, she will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission. Lee has wanted that job for a long time, and Drabble owes Lee a lot for his support in the last election.
Which one of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
(A) Mayor Drabble has no political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.
(B) There is no one to whom Mayor Drabble owes a greater political debt for support in the last election than the political debt she owes to Lee.
(C) Lee is the only person to whom Mayor Drabble owes a political debt who would be willing to accept an appointment from her as the new head of the arts commission.
(D) Whether Lee is qualified to head the arts commission is irrelevant to Mayor Drabble’s decision.
(E) The only way that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee is by appointing him to head the arts commission.

Between A and E. Please exlpain ur ans.

Certainly tricky!

Let's understand the argument first:
Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible.
Drabble owes Lee a lot for his support in the last election.
Lee has wanted head of arts commission job for a long time.

Conclusion: She will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission.

We need to find the assumption i.e. a missing necessary premise.

(A) Mayor Drabble has no political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.
Drabble owes Lee and Lee wants this job so we are concluding that Drabble will give Lee this job. We are assuming that Drabble doesn't owe someone else for longer (since she repays as soon as possible, she will repay the other guy first) who also wants this job. If there is such a person, Drabble will probaly give him the position rather than Lee. Hence option (A) is a missing necessary premise.

(B) There is no one to whom Mayor Drabble owes a greater political debt for support in the last election than the political debt she owes to Lee.
This is not an assumption. Drabble could owe to many othersbut they may not want this position. This is not a necessary condition for the conclusion to hold.

(C) Lee is the only person to whom Mayor Drabble owes a political debt who would be willing to accept an appointment from her as the new head of the arts commission.
Again, not necessary. Perhaps there is another guy whom Drabble owes but his debt may not be as great or of longer standing than Lee. There could be another person whom Drabble owes and who would be willing to accept this appointment but Drabble may still choose to appoint Lee. So negating (C) does not break apart our conclusion.

(D) Whether Lee is qualified to head the arts commission is irrelevant to Mayor Drabble’s decision.
Out of scope. We are not discussing qualifications. Even if qualification is relevant, Lee may be qualified.

(E) The only way that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee is by appointing him to head the arts commission.
This is a trick option. Almost certainly, when you read it, you will be taken aback and will consider this option too. But understand that this is a sufficient condition for conclusion, not necessary. An assumption is a necessary condition. If this is true, Lee will appoint Drabble. If this is not true, the conclusion does not fall apart - it may still hold. There may be other ways to repay Lee but Drabble may still make him the head of arts because he wants it. Hence, this is not our assumption.

I am convinced with Option A as it states that there is no other debt longer than the one owed to Lee which makes it rather clear that Mayor D has to appoint Lee first.
However, option E is very close and none of the explanations have been able to clearly get it out of the way.
What makes E complicatedly close to being an assumption can be best understood if we break the sentence up:

Clause 1: The only way
Clause 2: that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee

Clause 1 Continued: is by appointing him to head the arts commission

So basically the only way to pay debt IS by appointing lee. There is no other way to pay the debt and appoint lee. Appointment of LEE is the only way.
Negate it, Appointment of Lee to head the arts commission is not the only way to pay the debt ----> implying that for instance: Mayor could rather gift him a house and pay the debt.

Thus making option E necessary for the conclusion (she will appoint lee to head the arts....) to hold.
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14 Mar 2015, 05:06
rohitgoel15 wrote:
Since Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible, she will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission. Lee has wanted that job for a long time, and Drabble owes Lee a lot for his support in the last election.
Which one of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
(A) Mayor Drabble has no political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.
(B) There is no one to whom Mayor Drabble owes a greater political debt for support in the last election than the political debt she owes to Lee.
(C) Lee is the only person to whom Mayor Drabble owes a political debt who would be willing to accept an appointment from her as the new head of the arts commission.
(D) Whether Lee is qualified to head the arts commission is irrelevant to Mayor Drabble’s decision.
(E) The only way that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee is by appointing him to head the arts commission.

Between A and E. Please exlpain ur ans.

The e-gmat.com way-

Logical structure-

Premise-
Since Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible Lee has wanted that job for a long time
Drabble owes Lee a lot for his support in the last election

Conclusion-She (Mayor Drabble ) will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission.

Prethinking-

Assumption-That information that must be true to arrive at the conclusion.The assumption is necessary to make the conclusion using the given premise.Assumption is unstated premise.

1. Lee still wants the job as before.
2. Drabble only owns support to Lee which will justify him getting the job. What if someone else is also in the line for the job? What if someone else equally deserving wants the job; someone whom the mayor owns debt for his support in the last election?
3.Mayor has the powers to make appointments to the arts commission.
4. Nothing else has happened since last election that would jeopardize the relationship between Drabble and Lee .

Now; I am ready to take aim at the options-

(A) Mayor Drabble has no political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.- Similar to prething statement 2.
(B) There is no one to whom Mayor Drabble owes a greater political debt for support in the last election than the political debt she owes to Lee.- Similar to prethinking statement 2.
(C) Lee is the only person to whom Mayor Drabble owes a political debt who would be willing to accept an appointment from her as the new head of the arts commission.-
Not necessarily true;There might be someone else to whom Mayor may own debt and still be willing to accept the appointment.But we are only interested in someone who wants the job and not someone will accept the job.
(D) Whether Lee is qualified to head the arts commission is irrelevant to Mayor Drabble’s decision.- Not true. If he is not qualified, mayor can not appoint Lee. Should have thought during pre-thinking.

(E) The only way that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee is by appointing him to head the arts commission.-The argument never makes any claim that appointment of Lee is the only way Mayor Drabble can repay her debt to Lee.

So now I am confused with option A and B; But now I can use the NEGATION technique to arrive at the right assumption.Again thanks to e-gmat.com

Statement A- Mayor Drabble has no political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.

Negated statement A- Mayor Drabblehas SOME political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.

Hmm. This completely shatters the conclusion.Because now it is NOT CERTAIN that she will appoint Lee. She may or she may not.But any doubt will shatter the certainity stated in the conclusion.

Conclusion-She (Mayor Drabble ) will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission.

Statement B-There is no one to whom Mayor Drabble owes a greater political debt for support in the last election than the political debt she owes to Lee.

Negated statement B-There is SOMEONE to whom Mayor Drabble owes a greater political debt for support in the last election than the political debt she owes to Lee.

OK . so what? If someone owns political debt to Drabble, it is not at all necessary for her to repay the debt by appointing him to the arts commission.

Conclusion remains intact.

Conclusion-She (Mayor Drabble ) will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission.

Hence, A should be the correct answer.

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