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Since Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible, she will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission. Lee has wanted that job for a long time, and Drabble owes Lee a lot for his support in the last election.

Which one of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?

(A) Mayor Drabble has no political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.
(B) There is no one to whom Mayor Drabble owes a greater political debt for support in the last election than the political debt she owes to Lee.
(C) Lee is the only person to whom Mayor Drabble owes a political debt who would be willing to accept an appointment from her as the new head of the arts commission.
(D) Whether Lee is qualified to head the arts commission is irrelevant to Mayor Drabble’s decision.
(E) The only way that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee is by appointing him to head the arts commission.

Between A and E. Please exlpain ur ans.
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Since Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible, she will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission. Lee has wanted that job for a long time, and Drabble owes Lee a lot for his support in the last election.
Which one of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
(A) Mayor Drabble has no political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.
(B) There is no one to whom Mayor Drabble owes a greater political debt for support in the last election than the political debt she owes to Lee.
(C) Lee is the only person to whom Mayor Drabble owes a political debt who would be willing to accept an appointment from her as the new head of the arts commission.
(D) Whether Lee is qualified to head the arts commission is irrelevant to Mayor Drabble’s decision.
(E) The only way that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee is by appointing him to head the arts commission.

Between A and E. Please exlpain ur ans.


Certainly tricky!

Let's understand the argument first:
Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible.
Drabble owes Lee a lot for his support in the last election.
Lee has wanted head of arts commission job for a long time.

Conclusion: She will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission.

We need to find the assumption i.e. a missing necessary premise.

(A) Mayor Drabble has no political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.
Drabble owes Lee and Lee wants this job so we are concluding that Drabble will give Lee this job. We are assuming that Drabble doesn't owe someone else for longer (since she repays as soon as possible, she will repay the other guy first) who also wants this job. If there is such a person, Drabble will probaly give him the position rather than Lee. Hence option (A) is a missing necessary premise.

(B) There is no one to whom Mayor Drabble owes a greater political debt for support in the last election than the political debt she owes to Lee.
This is not an assumption. Drabble could owe to many othersbut they may not want this position. This is not a necessary condition for the conclusion to hold.

(C) Lee is the only person to whom Mayor Drabble owes a political debt who would be willing to accept an appointment from her as the new head of the arts commission.
Again, not necessary. Perhaps there is another guy whom Drabble owes but his debt may not be as great or of longer standing than Lee. There could be another person whom Drabble owes and who would be willing to accept this appointment but Drabble may still choose to appoint Lee. So negating (C) does not break apart our conclusion.

(D) Whether Lee is qualified to head the arts commission is irrelevant to Mayor Drabble’s decision.
Out of scope. We are not discussing qualifications. Even if qualification is relevant, Lee may be qualified.

(E) The only way that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee is by appointing him to head the arts commission.
This is a trick option. Almost certainly, when you read it, you will be taken aback and will consider this option too. But understand that this is a sufficient condition for conclusion, not necessary. An assumption is a necessary condition. If this is true, Lee will appoint Drabble. If this is not true, the conclusion does not fall apart - it may still hold. There may be other ways to repay Lee but Drabble may still make him the head of arts because he wants it. Hence, this is not our assumption.

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Between A and E. Please exlpain ur ans.


negate A - Mayor Drabble has political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission - weakens

negate E - There are many ways that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee is by appointing him to head the arts commission. - how does this affect conclusion??

A is obvious
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E is more interesting than I thought. E is a trap but the keyword "only" and "adequately repay" almost uncloaks it ! I'm sure the reporter is not concerned whether the mayor can repay her debt "adequately". E is either out of scope / irrelevant.

And E does not strengthens the argument - mayor's integrity can be questioned by the reporter himself who wrote this argument. The political reporter is not questioning the integrity of the Mayor but he wants to strengthen it.

"Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible". The premise means that if NO other debt is longstanding she will be obliged to pay her debt at the FIRST available opportunity
A is correct.

suitably / adequately are the keywords one should be wary.
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for me its E ............Lee has wanted that job ......Is it the only way .......?
Its most probable ........but what if she can't by obligations.......What if he might be satisfied by something else?

A is good but it comes second to me when compared to E ..........
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This question is already there .....
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Well i dont think its simple....:D

k i will go for E.

but tone of E is not congruent to that of the premise .

A ...................:D
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E is more interesting than I thought. E is a trap but the keyword "only" and "adequately repay" almost uncloaks it ! I'm sure the reporter is not concerned whether the mayor can repay her debt "adequately". E is either out of scope / irrelevant.

And E does not strengthens the argument - mayor's integrity can be questioned by the reporter himself who wrote this argument. The political reporter is not questioning the integrity of the Mayor but he wants to strengthen it.

"Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible". The premise means that if NO other debt is longstanding she will be obliged to pay her debt at the FIRST available opportunity
A is correct.

suitably / adequately are the keywords one should be wary.

good point for the premise "...as soon as possible"!
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I am still confused between option A and E because,

(A) Mayor Drabble has no political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.
This option says ' As there is no other debt which stands longer than the one she owes to Lee, she will appoint him as the new head of the arts commission.'
This will strengthen the premise ‘Since Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible’ instead of strengthening the conclusion.

(E) The only way that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee is by appointing him to head the arts commission.
The 'only way' here explains why he will be the new head of the arts commission and directly strengthens the conclusion.
So option E must be more feasible than A.
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between A and E, negating A clearly crashes the conclusion.
However, negating E leaves other assumptions as there might be some ways to justify the cause.

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+1 A

Got this one wrong, chose E, my concentration is seriously wavering.

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I disagree with A, c is the only option that works here

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rohitgoel15 wrote:
Since Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible, she will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission. Lee has wanted that job for a long time, and Drabble owes Lee a lot for his support in the last election.
Which one of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
(A) Mayor Drabble has no political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.
(B) There is no one to whom Mayor Drabble owes a greater political debt for support in the last election than the political debt she owes to Lee.
(C) Lee is the only person to whom Mayor Drabble owes a political debt who would be willing to accept an appointment from her as the new head of the arts commission.
(D) Whether Lee is qualified to head the arts commission is irrelevant to Mayor Drabble’s decision.
(E) The only way that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee is by appointing him to head the arts commission.

Between A and E. Please exlpain ur ans.


Certainly tricky
Let's understand the argument first:
Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible.
Drabble owes Lee a lot for his support in the last election.
Lee has wanted head of arts commission job for a long time.

Conclusion: She will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission.

We need to find the assumption i.e. a missing necessary premise.

(A) Mayor Drabble has no political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.
Drabble owes Lee and Lee wants this job so we are concluding that Drabble will give Lee this job. We are assuming that Drabble doesn't owe someone else for longer (since she repays as soon as possible, she will repay the other guy first) who also wants this job. If there is such a person, Drabble will probaly give him the position rather than Lee. Hence option (A) is a missing necessary premise.

(B) There is no one to whom Mayor Drabble owes a greater political debt for support in the last election than the political debt she owes to Lee.
This is not an assumption. Drabble could owe to many othersbut they may not want this position. This is not a necessary condition for the conclusion to hold.

(C) Lee is the only person to whom Mayor Drabble owes a political debt who would be willing to accept an appointment from her as the new head of the arts commission.
Again, not necessary. Perhaps there is another guy whom Drabble owes but his debt may not be as great or of longer standing than Lee. There could be another person whom Drabble owes and who would be willing to accept this appointment but Drabble may still choose to appoint Lee. So negating (C) does not break apart our conclusion.

(D) Whether Lee is qualified to head the arts commission is irrelevant to Mayor Drabble’s decision.
Out of scope. We are not discussing qualifications. Even if qualification is relevant, Lee may be qualified.

(E) The only way that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee is by appointing him to head the arts commission.
This is a trick option. Almost certainly, when you read it, you will be taken aback and will consider this option too. But understand that this is a sufficient condition for conclusion, not necessary. An assumption is a necessary condition. If this is true, Lee will appoint Drabble. If this is not true, the conclusion does not fall apart - it may still hold. There may be other ways to repay Lee but Drabble may still make him the head of arts because he wants it. Hence, this is not our assumption.

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rohitgoel15 wrote:
Since Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible, she will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission. Lee has wanted that job for a long time, and Drabble owes Lee a lot for his support in the last election.
Which one of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
(A) Mayor Drabble has no political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.
(B) There is no one to whom Mayor Drabble owes a greater political debt for support in the last election than the political debt she owes to Lee.
(C) Lee is the only person to whom Mayor Drabble owes a political debt who would be willing to accept an appointment from her as the new head of the arts commission.
(D) Whether Lee is qualified to head the arts commission is irrelevant to Mayor Drabble’s decision.
(E) The only way that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee is by appointing him to head the arts commission.

Between A and E. Please exlpain ur ans.


Certainly tricky
Let's understand the argument first:
Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible.
Drabble owes Lee a lot for his support in the last election.
Lee has wanted head of arts commission job for a long time.

Conclusion: She will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission.

We need to find the assumption i.e. a missing necessary premise.

(A) Mayor Drabble has no political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.
Drabble owes Lee and Lee wants this job so we are concluding that Drabble will give Lee this job. We are assuming that Drabble doesn't owe someone else for longer (since she repays as soon as possible, she will repay the other guy first) who also wants this job. If there is such a person, Drabble will probaly give him the position rather than Lee. Hence option (A) is a missing necessary premise.

(B) There is no one to whom Mayor Drabble owes a greater political debt for support in the last election than the political debt she owes to Lee.
This is not an assumption. Drabble could owe to many othersbut they may not want this position. This is not a necessary condition for the conclusion to hold.

(C) Lee is the only person to whom Mayor Drabble owes a political debt who would be willing to accept an appointment from her as the new head of the arts commission.
Again, not necessary. Perhaps there is another guy whom Drabble owes but his debt may not be as great or of longer standing than Lee. There could be another person whom Drabble owes and who would be willing to accept this appointment but Drabble may still choose to appoint Lee. So negating (C) does not break apart our conclusion.

(D) Whether Lee is qualified to head the arts commission is irrelevant to Mayor Drabble’s decision.
Out of scope. We are not discussing qualifications. Even if qualification is relevant, Lee may be qualified.

(E) The only way that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee is by appointing him to head the arts commission.
This is a trick option. Almost certainly, when you read it, you will be taken aback and will consider this option too. But understand that this is a sufficient condition for conclusion, not necessary. An assumption is a necessary condition. If this is true, Lee will appoint Drabble. If this is not true, the conclusion does not fall apart - it may still hold. There may be other ways to repay Lee but Drabble may still make him the head of arts because he wants it. Hence, this is not our assumption.

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Guys, I feel odd that I neither got A nor E. Though I will try to put my point forward:
I miss the point with A - Since the Mayor repays her debt as soon as possible, does not mean that the political debt she owes to Lee needs to be clearerd first? Secondly,
Mayor Drabble has no political debt of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee may not be true, what if she owes to someone in another industry as well which she may be able to appoint too. She may need to clear political debts to many people at the same time asap. E is not right either, I would probably go with D.
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Since Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible, she will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission. Lee has wanted that job for a long time, and Drabble owes Lee a lot for his support in the last election.
Which one of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
(A) Mayor Drabble has no political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.
(B) There is no one to whom Mayor Drabble owes a greater political debt for support in the last election than the political debt she owes to Lee.
(C) Lee is the only person to whom Mayor Drabble owes a political debt who would be willing to accept an appointment from her as the new head of the arts commission.
(D) Whether Lee is qualified to head the arts commission is irrelevant to Mayor Drabble’s decision.
(E) The only way that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee is by appointing him to head the arts commission.

Between A and E. Please exlpain ur ans.


Guys,
I believe the key here is "AS SOON AS" Possible. If you get that then this is a cake walk.
"Since Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible"
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rohitgoel15 wrote:
Since Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible, she will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission. Lee has wanted that job for a long time, and Drabble owes Lee a lot for his support in the last election.
Which one of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
(A) Mayor Drabble has no political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.
(B) There is no one to whom Mayor Drabble owes a greater political debt for support in the last election than the political debt she owes to Lee.
(C) Lee is the only person to whom Mayor Drabble owes a political debt who would be willing to accept an appointment from her as the new head of the arts commission.
(D) Whether Lee is qualified to head the arts commission is irrelevant to Mayor Drabble’s decision.
(E) The only way that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee is by appointing him to head the arts commission.

Between A and E. Please exlpain ur ans.


Guys,
I believe the key here is "AS SOON AS" Possible. If you get that then this is a cake walk.
"Since Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible"


Nicely put, vigneshceg. So much of critical reasoning is picking up on the key words used in the stimulus. If you can get the right answer by fishing out the correct wording, you get the answer quickly and you feel confident about your answer, two key elements for GMAT success!

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Guys, I feel odd that I neither got A nor E. Though I will try to put my point forward:
I miss the point with A - Since the Mayor repays her debt as soon as possible, does not mean that the political debt she owes to Lee needs to be clearerd first? Secondly,
Mayor Drabble has no political debt of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee may not be true, what if she owes to someone in another industry as well which she may be able to appoint too. She may need to clear political debts to many people at the same time asap. E is not right either, I would probably go with D.


Since the Mayor repays her debt as soon as possible, she must repay the debt to the one she owes first i.e. she must repay the oldest debt first, as soon as possible.

Also, we don't have to find the inference/conclusion in the question. We have to find the assumption i.e. what has been assumed by the author to arrive at the conclusion. It may or may not actually be true. We just have to find that which the author has ASSUMED to be true.
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Since Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible, she will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission. Lee has wanted that job for a long time, and Drabble owes Lee a lot for his support in the last election.
Which one of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
(A) Mayor Drabble has no political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission.
(B) There is no one to whom Mayor Drabble owes a greater political debt for support in the last election than the political debt she owes to Lee.
(C) Lee is the only person to whom Mayor Drabble owes a political debt who would be willing to accept an appointment from her as the new head of the arts commission.
(D) Whether Lee is qualified to head the arts commission is irrelevant to Mayor Drabble’s decision.
(E) The only way that Mayor Drabble can adequately repay her political debt to Lee is by appointing him to head the arts commission.

Between A and E. Please exlpain ur ans.


Premise 1:Mayor Drabble always repays her political debts as soon as possible,

Premise 2:Drabble owes Lee a lot for his support in the last election

Premise 3: Lee has wanted that job of head of the arts commission.for a long time,

Conclusion: Drabble will almost certainly appoint Lee to be the new head of the arts commission.

Since this is an assumption question, the negation of right choice should,

(i) negate the premise or,
(ii) negate the conclusion

To do (i), the negation of the choice should show

(a) that Drabble does not always repay her political debts as soon as possible. This will negate premise 1. Or,
(b) that Drabble did not really owe Lee much. This would negate premise 2. Or,
(c) that Lee really did not want the job that Drabble has to offer. This will weaken premise 3.

To do (ii), the choice should show there is another reason why Drabble would not appoint Lee to the job. That would override the premises given and in turn would negate the conclusion.

Only negation of choice A does one of the above because it means that Drabble has a political debt that is both of longer standing than the one she owes to Lee and could as suitably be repaid by an appointment to be the new head of the arts commission. The underlined parts indicate exactly the reason why Lee was considered but because the debt this choice talks about being of longer standing, and since Drabble repays her debt as soon as possible, Lee would not be given top priority for the job. Thus this negates the conclusion.

Negation of Choice E which is, Drabble could repay her political debt to Lee in ways other than by giving him the job he wanted,

This does not do (i)a , (i)b, (i)c or (ii) as indicated above i.e., it neither negates the premises nor the conclusion. So it is not the answer.
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Nice explanation!

I also picked E despite looking for a MUST BE TRUE option. In many ways this is similar to the weakner alternate cause discussion I've seen on this forum by e-gmat.

Conclusion says: X led to Y -> here an alternate cause Z can weaken the conclusion. e.g.- Z led to Y
BUT, if conclusion says: X CAN/WILL lead to Y -> here an alternate cause Z cannot weaken the conclusion. e.g.- Z can lead to Y. This is irrelevant to the argument as even though it COULD produce the same result it doesn't weaken the SPECIFIC scenario under consideration (i.e. CAN X lead to Y)

Karishma let me know if my understanding is incorrect.

Great question by the way!
My take-aways:
1. Watch out for shell-game answer choices! I marked A but got so excited to see E that I totally dumped A. Always always always evaluate between your 2 tricky remaining answers and figure out which one is MORE wrong and then eliminate this choice! Get present to the traps - for assumption: out of scope / irrelevant, MUST be true vs. COULD be true
2. Assumptions are necessary conditions not sufficient (telling myself 10 times right now!)
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Nice explanation!

I also picked E despite looking for a MUST BE TRUE option. In many ways this is similar to the weakner alternate cause discussion I've seen on this forum by e-gmat.

Conclusion says: X led to Y -> here an alternate cause Z can weaken the conclusion. e.g.- Z led to Y
BUT, if conclusion says: X CAN/WILL lead to Y -> here an alternate cause Z cannot weaken the conclusion. e.g.- Z can lead to Y. This is irrelevant to the argument as even though it COULD produce the same result it doesn't weaken the SPECIFIC scenario under consideration (i.e. CAN X lead to Y)

Karishma let me know if my understanding is incorrect.

Great question by the way!
My take-aways:
1. Watch out for shell-game answer choices! I marked A but got so excited to see E that I totally dumped A. Always always always evaluate between your 2 tricky remaining answers and figure out which one is MORE wrong and then eliminate this choice! Get present to the traps - for assumption: out of scope / irrelevant, MUST be true vs. COULD be true
2. Assumptions are necessary conditions not sufficient (telling myself 10 times right now!)


I get your point and here is how I will word it:
Conclusion says: X will lead to Y.
Here we don't need to assume that only X can lead to Y.

Check out this post: http://www.veritasprep.com/blog/2013/04 ... ons-again/
It will help you better incorporate this vital point about assumptions that assumptions are necessary conditions.
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