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D) The early buyers of a novel product are always people who are quick to acquire novelties, but also often as quick to tire of them.

the above statement criticizes the early buyers so this obviously weakens the argument
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can anyone give a logical explanation for why B is wrong? fine D is the OA. In a weaken question the burden of proof is just to tilt the balance enough; not to affirmatively and conclusively prove the conclusion wrong.

is b wrong because it uses "video features" -- 'features' is not used anywhere in the passage

if "video features" is the same as "videos" then surely B is a good weakening answer as this stuff is "among the items" handled by the distributors; so even if the mkt saturates they can always sell the other goods and not face a "hard time"...

but is B wrong because it uses 'features'?
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Six months or so after getting a video recorder, many early buyers apparently lost interest in obtaining videos to watch on it. The trade of businesses selling and renting videos is still buoyant, because the number of homes with video recorders is still growing. But clearly, once the market for video recorders is saturated, businesses distributing videos face hard times.
Which of the following, if true, would most seriously weaken the conclusion above?
(A) The market for video recorders would not be considered saturated until there was one in 80 percent of homes.
(B) Among the items handled by video distributors are many films specifically produced as video features.
(C) Few of the early buyers of video recorders raised any complaints about performance aspects of the new product.
(D) The early buyers of a novel product are always people who are quick to acquire novelties, but also often as quick to tire of them.
(E) In a shrinking market, competition always intensifies and marginal businesses fail.


IMO D. The early buyers are not suitable subjects of survey causing the entire argument to fail.

@gmat1011 : B is wrong because early buyers lost interest of videos to watch on the recorders. As Video Features are supplements to the videos, we can surely say that they will not attract the buyers. Moreover further information on Video Features are not provided in the passage allowing us to clear this choice easily.
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I'm struggling with what the conclusion is based on the responses above. It looks like the conclusion could be the first sentence, because the writer uses the word apparently, which is his/her opinion/conclusion. If that's the case, isn't the conclusion that early buyers don't want videos to watch on their recorder. It implies that there must be something wrong with the recorder. It doesn't imply that people don't like watching videos, because the demand for players is still high. If you want to weaken this conclusion, which I think means on the contrary, wouldn't C be on the contrary. Since people still want to watch videos, they will need a player. If there aren't very many complaints, then why wouldn't people want the player that the early buyers bought.
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keyword "clearly" separates the conclusion from the premise.

Paraphrase - People get tired of watching the VCR after 6 months of purchase. The sales which is high now will slacken in the coming days. Clearly, the market for VCR is going to face hard times when the market is saturated.

"Weaken" means weaken the conclusion.

(D) The early buyers of a novel product are always people who are quick to acquire novelties, but also often as quick to tire of them. -> this tells us that there will ALWAYS be a market for the product and hence weakens the conclusion.

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I'm struggling with what the conclusion is based on the responses above. It looks like the conclusion could be the first sentence, because the writer uses the word apparently, which is his/her opinion/conclusion. If that's the case, isn't the conclusion that early buyers don't want videos to watch on their recorder. It implies that there must be something wrong with the recorder. It doesn't imply that people don't like watching videos, because the demand for players is still high. If you want to weaken this conclusion, which I think means on the contrary, wouldn't C be on the contrary. Since people still want to watch videos, they will need a player. If there aren't very many complaints, then why wouldn't people want the player that the early buyers bought.
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Assumtion: Early buyers => tired of product
Late buyers will => tried of product becasue Early buyers = late buyers
D's point: Early buyers =/= (might not) later buyers so the argument falls apart.
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New post 23 Feb 2011, 10:34
I was lost on this one... not one of the statements looked relevant. Thank you everyone for your input.
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D is most relevant.

The argument is that an initial group of people bought a video recorder and then grew tired of it after so many months and then stop obtaining new videos. The conclusion is that once everyone who buys this new video recorder (100% market saturation) and then tire of it will ultimately hurt the video production market.

The point of D pokes a hole in this conclusion by showing that author's test group of "initial buyers" may not have the same usage pattern with the video recorder as a "future buyer" might. In a nutshell, D states that the author may be comparing apples to oranges which means that the argument is not conclusive.


Thank you very much for helping me clear up this question. I was totally lost. I found that discussing it with someone helps to bring out ideas. When you have to explain it to someone, you discover the answer, so I recommend, for those like me, who have a hard time with these questions, read them out loud to someone. Preferably an older child or teenager, so you have to explain it and understand it while you're explaining.
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I still don't see the correlation here. Is this from the OG Guide? Do you have a problem number to reference?
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keyword "clearly" separates the conclusion from the premise.

Paraphrase - People get tired of watching the VCR after 6 months of purchase. The sales which is high now will slacken in the coming days. Clearly, the market for VCR is going to face hard times when the market is saturated.

"Weaken" means weaken the conclusion.

(D) The early buyers of a novel product are always people who are quick to acquire novelties, but also often as quick to tire of them. -> this tells us that there will ALWAYS be a market for the product and hence weakens the conclusion.

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I'm struggling with what the conclusion is based on the responses above. It looks like the conclusion could be the first sentence, because the writer uses the word apparently, which is his/her opinion/conclusion. If that's the case, isn't the conclusion that early buyers don't want videos to watch on their recorder. It implies that there must be something wrong with the recorder. It doesn't imply that people don't like watching videos, because the demand for players is still high. If you want to weaken this conclusion, which I think means on the contrary, wouldn't C be on the contrary. Since people still want to watch videos, they will need a player. If there aren't very many complaints, then why wouldn't people want the player that the early buyers bought.


Sure, but the passage or (D) does not indicate that the early buyers are not bored anymore and so will continue to purchase videos, which will weaken the conclusion. Passage suggests that early buyers are bored and once all buyers are bored, the businesses will fail. (D) explains the buying patern of early buyers but doesn't say why this set of people will buy videos again (after all they are all bored and why would you buy videos if you are bored).
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I think you interpret the videos they bought the next time is the "same" buy. However nowhere its indicated - they are going to buy same things. Are you assuming this? If yes you are making a lot of assumptions ;-)

And lets even if they watch ALL of them, they still get bored and tired. So the demand is "never" ceasing and supply is on the way. The business is going to be rich and richie rich!

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Sure, but the passage or (D) does not indicate that the early buyers are not bored anymore and so will continue to purchase videos, which will weaken the conclusion. Passage suggests that early buyers are bored and once all buyers are bored, the businesses will fail. (D) explains the buying patern of early buyers but doesn't say why this set of people will buy videos again (after all they are all bored and why would you buy videos if you are bored).
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I think you interpret the videos they bought the next time is the "same" buy. However nowhere its indicated - they are going to buy same things. Are you assuming this? If yes you are making a lot of assumptions ;-)

And lets even if they watch ALL of them, they still get bored and tired. So the demand is "never" ceasing and supply is on the way. The business is going to be rich and richie rich!

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Sure, but the passage or (D) does not indicate that the early buyers are not bored anymore and so will continue to purchase videos, which will weaken the conclusion. Passage suggests that early buyers are bored and once all buyers are bored, the businesses will fail. (D) explains the buying patern of early buyers but doesn't say why this set of people will buy videos again (after all they are all bored and why would you buy videos if you are bored).

Maybe I'm misinterpreting this a bit but this is what put me off a little "lost interest in obtaining videos to watch on it". This suggests that early buyers don't care about buying or renting videos after they are bored. If eventually ALL people end up this way, we will have businesses that are not selling or renting any videos. Nowhere does it suggest that early buyers will keep buying videos (and continue their buying habbits) after they are bored. Am I missing something?
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Sure, but the passage or (D) does not indicate that the early buyers are not bored anymore and so will continue to purchase videos, which will weaken the conclusion. Passage suggests that early buyers are bored and once all buyers are bored, the businesses will fail. (D) explains the buying patern of early buyers but doesn't say why this set of people will buy videos again (after all they are all bored and why would you buy videos if you are bored).
Maybe I'm misinterpreting this a bit but this is what put me off a little "lost interest in obtaining videos to watch on it". This suggests that early buyers don't care about buying or renting videos after they are bored. If eventually ALL people end up this way, we will have businesses that are not selling or renting any videos. Nowhere does it suggest that early buyers will keep buying videos (and continue their buying habbits) after they are bored. Am I missing something?


But the answer said "novelties" not the videos not the recorders.
(D) The early buyers of a novel product are always people who are quick to acquire novelties, but also often as quick to tire of them. -

Reread - It said "its" going to help the business. Exactly how I know anyone will not try to prove. Because the answer will not prove that the conclusion is NO NO. It just makes it more less likely as weaken. This is not a all-go stress test scenario and conclusion will likely break if one of the assumption is false.

here the salesman (as in author) is assuming
"In a closed scenario, the supply (now supply=0) and demand (=met) we can assume the business is halt".

But consider if the supply is raining and the demand is high. Then what? the conclusion falls "distributing videos face hard times."
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D it is. None of the other choices weaken the conclusion.
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Six months or so after getting a video recorder, many early buyers apparently lost interest in obtaining videos to watch on it. The trade of businesses selling and renting videos is still buoyant, because the number of homes with video recorders is still growing. But clearly, once the market for video recorders is saturated, businesses distributing videos face hard times.

Which of the following, if true, would most seriously weaken the conclusion above?

(A) The market for video recorders would not be considered saturated until there was one in 80 percent of homes.
-->this is an irrelevant fact
(B) Among the items handled by video distributors are many films specifically produced as video features.
-->irrelevant
(C) Few of the early buyers of video recorders raised any complaints about performance aspects of the new product.
-->that's good to know.. eliminate..what does this have to do with saturation and low levels of video sales in the future?
(D) The early buyers of a novel product are always people who are quick to acquire novelties, but also often as quick to tire of them.
-->a possible reason why videos still may do well even after the market is saturated. If other people continue to buy videos after 6 months the businesses distributing videos may not face hard times
(E) In a shrinking market, competition always intensifies and marginal businesses fail
-->good to know .. but this is not relevant...besides ...video recorders and video distribution are not competitors .. rather they benefit from each other.



Conclusion is..once the market for video recorders is saturated, businesses distributing videos face hard times

In a weaken an argument question if we can find an alternative reason we can weaken the argument.
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Six months or so after getting a video recorder, many early buyers apparently lost interest in obtaining videos to watch on it. The trade of businesses selling and renting videos is still buoyant, because the number of homes with video recorders is still growing. But clearly, once the market for video recorders is saturated, businesses distributing videos face hard times.

Which of the following, if true, would most seriously weaken the conclusion above?

(A) The market for video recorders would not be considered saturated until there was one in 80 percent of homes.
(B) Among the items handled by video distributors are many films specifically produced as video features.
(C) Few of the early buyers of video recorders raised any complaints about performance aspects of the new product.
(D) The early buyers of a novel product are always people who are quick to acquire novelties, but also often as quick to tire of them.
(E) In a shrinking market, competition always intensifies and marginal businesses fail.
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D?

The early buyers of a novel product are always people who are quick to acquire novelties, but also often as quick to tire of them.
The early buyers may be a few of the lot and the premise talks about only the early buyers, rest of the folks can still purchase and rent out videos.
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D?

The early buyers of a novel product are always people who are quick to acquire novelties, but also often as quick to tire of them.
The early buyers may be a few of the lot and the premise talks about only the early buyers, rest of the folks can still purchase and rent out videos.


Not very clear on your explaination. Can you please elaborate.
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D?

The early buyers of a novel product are always people who are quick to acquire novelties, but also often as quick to tire of them.
The early buyers may be a few of the lot and the premise talks about only the early buyers, rest of the folks can still purchase and rent out videos.


Not very clear on your explaination. Can you please elaborate.


Conclusion: once the market for video recorders is saturated, businesses distributing videos face hard times.
Premise 1) Six months or so after getting a video recorder, many early buyers apparently lost interest in obtaining videos to watch on it.
premise 2.)The trade of businesses selling and renting videos is still buoyant, because the number of homes with video recorders is still growing.

Carefully observe the bolded parts.
Premise 1 talks about only early buyers losing interest and not the whole population of buyers.
premise 2 talks about that thetrade is good as the number of people (not the early buyers but others as-well) who purchase video players is growing.

Now you can easily, find the option which attacks the conclusion.

option D:The early buyers of a novel product are always people who are quick to acquire novelties, but also often as quick to tire of them.
If early buyers have a habbit of buying and retiring their purchase quickly , then it will not effect the other people as stated in premise 2 "the number of homes with video recorders is still growing".
Option D segregates early buyers from rest of the buyers and hence weakens the conclusion that all people will lose interest in buying videos after saturation.
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@conty911 - good explanation

Here is another take on the explanation:

The author makes his conclusion by generalizing the behavior of a segment of population - early buyers. The author says, that because early buyers lost interest in renting movies, so would later buyer and hence concludes that the business of renting is doomed.

While making the conclusion the author makes the assumption that the behavior of later buyers is the same as that of early buyers.

Choice D: In indicates that the early buyers may be different from the later buyers. Once you add this information to the conclusion the conclusion does not seem as strong (& hence weakened)

Let me know if this helps.

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