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New post 16 May 2011, 01:21
so dogged ....so persistent ...parallel.

her in possessive form refers to Frances Perkin.

so that is an Idiom too.

E comes clean here.
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New post 16 May 2011, 01:34
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So dogged were Frances Perkin's investigations of the garment industry, and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social worker.

A. and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistet,
B. and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that
C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that
D. lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent
E. so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that

Please provide explanation for your answer choice. i will provide OA soon. Thank you!


Okai .. It is E ( best of the worst for me )
But I have a problem ... WHy is there no 'and' between garment industry and so persistent...and more importantly
why is there a 'comma' before that .. its rubbish
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New post 03 Apr 2013, 12:52
@pqhai,
Wow sounds interesting... but actually it was bit too technical . Can you please elaborate using one example.
If i m not wrong u mean the second part "so Y" acts as a absolute phrase modifying the first total clause part 'So X'.
Any other gmat prep sc or og sc that we uses similar tech.
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@pqhai,
Wow sounds interesting... but actually it was bit too technical . Can you please elaborate using one example.
If i m not wrong u mean the second part "so Y" acts as a absolute phrase modifying the first total clause part 'So X'.
Any other gmat prep sc or og sc that we uses similar tech.


Hi sujit2k7

Yes, it's quite technical. In fact, absolute construction is difficult to use and is rarely used by GMAC.

You're absolutely right. An absolute construction is a secondary clause in a sentence that modifies the whole meaning of the main clause. Hence, "so Y" construction modifies the first part.
Here is one example: so beautiful her hair, Mary walked down the street.

Hope it helps.
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I think this one of the weird GMAT prep questions... no good explanations in any of the forums... if some one can really go on and dissect it rather than just telling E looks better parallel than others , than KUDOS are waiting for him

So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social worker.

A. and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent,
B. and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that
C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that
D. lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent,
E. so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that




My question is what is take away from this question. any similar examples.
Do we not need the 'AND' before second SO.
Do we not need the verb in construction E (is ellipses work here..can some one so another example )


This indeed is a very difficult question. However, even if you were wondering why there is no "and" rather than a comma as I did, you could have answered the question using process of elimination, and parallelism when you are deciding between C and E. I must say that the way the absolute phrase is used in this sentence is awkward, though grammatically correct.
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So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, and her
lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D.
Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social
worker.
A. and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent,
no correct idiom..
B. and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that
parallelism fails
C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that
correct. parallel ...ans also idiom so.that
D. lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent,
parallelism fails
E. so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that
parallelism fails

IMO C


Hi pal,

C cannot be the choice because it uses-'Her' but there is no direct name referent.

Thanks many :) ,
Kudos if clarified!!


'her' is a valid usage in C as its in possessive form. However you cannot use a subject pronoun - 'she'
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New post 17 May 2014, 11:43
Very informational post by e-GMAT! :)
I almost took a little over 2 minutes (30 seconds to choose between C and E) and arrived at E only due to parallelism.
C is in active voice and E is in the same voice as the clause before the underlined part.
Is is safe to assume that this is a 700+ question? I have hardly observed such ellipsis at play questions on the mocks that I have given
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New post 20 May 2014, 01:27
I have gone through all the mails posted by people in the above posts.

However I am still not clear why the correct option E actually does not use "and" in between the 2 parts of the sentence (So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, AND so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform).

Without the use of "and", option E really sounds very strange. So is there a grammar rule that someone can help me with, that is working in option E.
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Like many SC Q's this is a direct pick up from NY Times

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A965958260

E is correct.

As goalsnr said, So X, So Y that Z is perfectly correct. Other wise NY Times would not use it.


The NYT statement is as follows:
So dogged were her investigations of the garment industry, and so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that she was first recruited by Gov. Al Smith, and later by Gov. Franklin D. Roosevelt, to work within New York State government, rather than against it.

"and" is missing in option E. How can it be correct?

@mikemcgarry, please help...
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New post 03 Sep 2014, 05:50
Hi guys,

I actually got this question on a GMATPrep CAT and unfortunately had an error.

Now I directly saw the 'So X, so Y' structure, but thought (E) included an error, because it had "her" referring back to "Frances Perkins' ". Now I thought that her can refer back to a noun/subject and while in this case it appears it is referring back to Frances Perkins, it is referring back to the possessive "Frances Perkins' ". Is this possible and in what cases can we use "she" and "her"?

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New post 13 Feb 2016, 19:15
why the second clause contain no verb
I think
so persistent was
is better.

very strange pattern
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why the second clause contain no verb
I think
so persistent was
is better.

very strange pattern



You can find full explanation for that pattern here. I hope it helps.


http://gmatclub.com/forum/so-dogged-wer ... fl=similar
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icandy wrote:
Like many SC Q's this is a direct pick up from NY Times

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A965958260

E is correct.

As goalsnr said, So X, So Y that Z is perfectly correct. Other wise NY Times would not use it.


The NYT statement is as follows:
So dogged were her investigations of the garment industry, and so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that she was first recruited by Gov. Al Smith, and later by Gov. Franklin D. Roosevelt, to work within New York State government, rather than against it.

"and" is missing in option E. How can it be correct?

mikemcgarry, please help...


I agree with you, there is the conjunction 'and' in the original sentence. Not sure how this sentence is correct.
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So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social worker.

A. and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, --> Wrong Structure: So X , and Y (missing "That")
B. and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that --> Wrong Structure: So X , and Y, so that Z
C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that --> Structure is correct "So X, Y, that" but Y does not logically fit into sentence, also X and Y are not parallel
"So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that
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D. lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent, --> "that" missing
E. so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that --> Correct structure: So X, so Y, that Z
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So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social worker.

A. and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, --> Wrong Structure: So X , and Y (missing "That")
B. and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that --> Wrong Structure: So X , and Y, so that Z
C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that --> Structure is correct "So X, Y, that" but Y does not logically fit into sentence, also X and Y are not parallel
"So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that
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D. lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent, --> "that" missing
E. so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that --> Correct structure: So X, so Y, that Z


The answer choice 'E' is also wrong. The second 'so' will be preceded by 'and'. Check the NYT link.
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IMO E is the best choice for this question but it also has an error pointed out in the comments above:
"her" in the second clause should refer to Francis Perkins,but actually "her" is referring to Francis Perkins' investigations in option e too.
So how is option e or this question itself not wrong? :|
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We need to maintain parallelism between the investigation and her lobbying , also we need that before Alfred E. Smith.
Option E has correct parallelism and correct placement of that.
Correct idiom is So.........That
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I got this question and chose C because option E had so again. I wasn't aware of the idiom So X, So Y ...that

My question here is what the question is testing? I don't think it is just the So....that idiom....

Any suggestions/?
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So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social worker.

A. and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent,

',' used to join IC( Alfred E...... social worker) with IC(her lobbying...persistent) : Incorrect
',and' used to join DC(so dogged...industry) with IC (her lobbying...persistent) : Incorrect


B. and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that

',and' used to join DC(so dogged...industry) with IC (her lobbying...persistent) : Incorrect[/color]

C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that

"her" works as adjective modifying ' lobbying' ; noun phrase "her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent" wrongly modifies preceding clause. Incorrect

D. lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent,

wrong modification

E. so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that

So X , So Y , That.... Correct



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I think this one of the weird GMAT prep questions... no good explanations in any of the forums... if some one can really go on and dissect it rather than just telling E looks better parallel than others , than KUDOS are waiting for him

So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social worker.

A. and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent,
B. and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that
C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that
D. lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent,
E. so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that


My question is what is take away from this question. any similar examples.
Do we not need the 'AND' before second SO.
Do we not need the verb in construction E (is ellipses work here..can some one so another example )


Since the questions are pertaining to the structure of the correct choice, I will only take that one in my response.

So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social worker.

I will simplify this sentence for my analysis:

So dogged were FP's investigations, so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that AES and FDR recruited Perkins to work within the government.

There are certain specific things about the structure of this sentence.

1: Inverted Structure


If this sentence were written in a more straightforward way, it would be as follows:
FP's investigations of the garment industry were so dogged that AES and FDR recruited Perkins to work within the government.
(notice that I have not considered the second element in this sentence for the sake of explanation. I will consider that in my analysis below:) )
Now to come up with the sentence in question, simply flip the order of the SV in the first clause in the simple sentence above. This will get us to the following version:
So dogged were FP's investigations, that AES and FDR recruited Perkins to work within the government.

2: Idiom used


Let's take the simplified version of the sentence (I will show both inverted and straight sentences)
- FP's investigations of the garment industry were so dogged that AES and FDR recruited Perkins to work within the government.
- So dogged were FP's investigations, that AES and FDR recruited Perkins to work within the government.
So as you can see, the idiom that has been used here is "So x that Y".

3: Two entities connected using a comma


I understand that there are two elements in the list but they have been connected using a comma. Let's consider the straight version of this sentence:
- FP's investigations of the garment industry were so dogged AND her lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent that AES and FDR recruited Perkins to work within the government.
In this version I would have added the second element using an AND.

Now let's consider the inverted structure.
- So dogged were FP's investigations AND so persistent was her lobbying for wage and hour reform that AES and FDR recruited Perkins to work within the government.
Here also I would have added the second element using an AND

So why is there is no AND and a COMMA instead - I do not know. I can almost say that it is a style of writing and certainly not a common style of writing.

4: Ellipsis


As you can see, the second element does not contain a verb. In fact ellipsis is at play here. Here is another sentence with similar ellipsis at play:

Of all the wild animals in their area, none was more useful to the Delaware tribes than the Virginia white- tailed deer: it was a source of meat, and its hide was used for clothing, its antlers and bones were used for tools, and its sinews and gut were used for bindings and glue.

    Notice the verb "was used" in the first element.
    Notice no verb in the second and third elements. But here ellipsis is at play.

Take away

- Follow the process for solving the question. Eliminate choices on deterministic errors and then consider errors such as punctuation etc. Yes, while you are preparing for GMAT, you must understand the construction of the correct sentence, but when you are in test environment, be confident of your approach and do not second guess yourself if questions such as these appear. :)

I hope this helps.

Regards,
Payal


Hi, Can any expert clarify my query?

According to rule of pronouns, objective pronoun must refer to the logical referent in the sentence. I've eliminated A, C and E option because of lack of logical referent of the "her" as i could not see the Frances perkin (herself, rather than her investigation) in the entire sentence.
Thanks in anticipation.
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