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So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social worker.

(A) and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent,

(B) and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that

(C) her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that

(D) lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent,

(E) so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that

Originally posted by goalsnr on 09 Jul 2008, 21:09.
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I think this one of the weird GMAT prep questions... no good explanations in any of the forums... if some one can really go on and dissect it rather than just telling E looks better parallel than others , than KUDOS are waiting for him

So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social worker.

A. and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent,
B. and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that
C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that
D. lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent,
E. so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that


My question is what is take away from this question. any similar examples.
Do we not need the 'AND' before second SO.
Do we not need the verb in construction E (is ellipses work here..can some one so another example )


Since the questions are pertaining to the structure of the correct choice, I will only take that one in my response.

So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social worker.

I will simplify this sentence for my analysis:

So dogged were FP's investigations, so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that AES and FDR recruited Perkins to work within the government.

There are certain specific things about the structure of this sentence.

1: Inverted Structure


If this sentence were written in a more straightforward way, it would be as follows:
FP's investigations of the garment industry were so dogged that AES and FDR recruited Perkins to work within the government.
(notice that I have not considered the second element in this sentence for the sake of explanation. I will consider that in my analysis below:) )
Now to come up with the sentence in question, simply flip the order of the SV in the first clause in the simple sentence above. This will get us to the following version:
So dogged were FP's investigations, that AES and FDR recruited Perkins to work within the government.

2: Idiom used


Let's take the simplified version of the sentence (I will show both inverted and straight sentences)
- FP's investigations of the garment industry were so dogged that AES and FDR recruited Perkins to work within the government.
- So dogged were FP's investigations, that AES and FDR recruited Perkins to work within the government.
So as you can see, the idiom that has been used here is "So x that Y".

3: Two entities connected using a comma


I understand that there are two elements in the list but they have been connected using a comma. Let's consider the straight version of this sentence:
- FP's investigations of the garment industry were so dogged AND her lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent that AES and FDR recruited Perkins to work within the government.
In this version I would have added the second element using an AND.

Now let's consider the inverted structure.
- So dogged were FP's investigations AND so persistent was her lobbying for wage and hour reform that AES and FDR recruited Perkins to work within the government.
Here also I would have added the second element using an AND

So why is there is no AND and a COMMA instead - I do not know. I can almost say that it is a style of writing and certainly not a common style of writing.

4: Ellipsis


As you can see, the second element does not contain a verb. In fact ellipsis is at play here. Here is another sentence with similar ellipsis at play:

Of all the wild animals in their area, none was more useful to the Delaware tribes than the Virginia white- tailed deer: it was a source of meat, and its hide was used for clothing, its antlers and bones were used for tools, and its sinews and gut were used for bindings and glue.

    Notice the verb "was used" in the first element.
    Notice no verb in the second and third elements. But here ellipsis is at play.

Take away

- Follow the process for solving the question. Eliminate choices on deterministic errors and then consider errors such as punctuation etc. Yes, while you are preparing for GMAT, you must understand the construction of the correct sentence, but when you are in test environment, be confident of your approach and do not second guess yourself if questions such as these appear. :)

I hope this helps.

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Like many SC Q's this is a direct pick up from NY Times

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A965958260

E is correct.

As goalsnr said, So X, So Y that Z is perfectly correct. Other wise NY Times would not use it.
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tricky. this is one of the reasons why i hate the GMAT.

who talks like "so dogged.....so persistent...., that..." if i talked like that during a interview I would probably be fired. But in GMAT this considered acceptable? Really?
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I hear you, vwjetty - but actually this is a fairly common GMAT tactic to frustrate you exactly the way that it did.

Your job on this test is to eliminate the big-picture, common errors (like needing the word "that" to complete the structure "X was so _____ THAT Y happened"), and in order to do so to avoid the temptation to eliminate things just because "they're awkward" or "I would never write it that way".

One way that I've seen them do it a lot is to use "flowery" writing when a sentence is about something historical - they sort of "wax poetic" in a way, which is a valid method of writing in that context. But things like double-negatives (x was not unlike y) drive GMAT students absolutely crazy. Keep in mind that your toolkit for SC questions is composed mainly of:

Subject-Verb Agreement
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Pronoun Agreement
Logical Connectors (like "that" in this case) necessary for sentence structure
Parallelism
Modifiers
Logical Validity (does the sentence even make sense)

Use those tools before you ever worry about awkwardness or "how I'd write it" - if every correct answer were in the form that most of us would write it, it would be too easy a test. Embrace the difficulty - you know better than to worry about awkwardness at first, and that's your competitive advantage over other test-takers who haven't yet found GMATClub and other resources!
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So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social worker.

The sentence begins with "So dogged" so we have to complete the idiom with "that": A and D are out.
The right idiom is "so (...) that" not "so (...) so that" as B writes: out B.
Between C and E, I'm afraid to say but it is a parallel problem: the sentence begins with so+adjective E begins with so+adjective, and then copies the entire structure.

C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that
E. so persistent(adjective) her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that
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goalsnr wrote:
So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, and her
lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent,
Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D.
Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social
worker.
A. and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent,
B. and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that
C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that
D. lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent,
E. so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that
2 Parallel Sentences here to be checked...
So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry that Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt .......
So persistent was her lobbying for wage and hour reform that Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt .......
Here both colored portion are parallel and correct sentences independently.

Here the sentences are joined, but second parallel structure is joined in. But the second parallel structure has been converted to a Absolute phrase by deleting the verb(was) from second sentence.
So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, so persistent was her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D.
Roosevelt recruited ....
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So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social worker.

A. and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent,
B. and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that
C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that
D. lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent,
E. so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that




I think this one of the weird GMAT prep questions... no good explanations in any of the forums... if some one can really go on and dissect it rather than just telling E looks better parallel than others , than KUDOS are waiting for him

My question is what is take away from this question. any similar examples.
Do we not need the 'AND' before second SO.
Do we not need the verb in construction E (is ellipses work here..can some one so another example )
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This is supposed to be an adaptation of an excerpt from the New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/14/books ... -club.html

Quote:
So dogged were her investigations of the garment industry, and so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that she was first recruited by Gov. Al Smith, and later by Gov. Franklin D. Roosevelt, to work within New York State government, rather than against it.

Choice E that corresponds to the version in the magazine misses an important ‘and’ before ‘so’; otherwise E may be the best choice. All the same, a disappointing question because of the poor transcription form the creator of this question, incidentally, GMATPREP

Interesting to note Ron’s comments about this

Re: SC set 27 Question 17 So dogged were Frances Perkins investi

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If it's a correct answer, it's a correct answer.

This is a really, really old problem (over 10 years old, if it's in "set 27"). The current GMAT won't test such oddly constructed sentences, so it's best to forget about this one altogether.

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Actually, let me tack on to that just one more point:

I was having lunch with one of our all-time great instructors, Chris, in New York and he mentioned something to the extent that:

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Taking the official practice tests, I learn a bunch of idioms that I never would have thought would be correct.


Now, what he meant by that was that:

1) Even a guy who has multiple 760+ scores under his belt and who has taught the GMAT for 6 years still doesn't know all the idioms that the GMAT tests.
2) Many of those idioms don't pass the "feel" test - they don't feel correct but they're grammatically acceptable...and that's why the GMAT loves them
3) By using the big-picture strategy he can avoid having to know all of those little things and actually appreciate how awkward those idioms are in that "wow, I never would have picked this answer choice up front but clearly it's right because process-of-elimination shows fatal flaws in the others" way.

So, again, you'll have to learn to sift through some awkwardly-phrased sentences to do well on this test, but know that the bigger guiding principles are your keys to success.
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Okai .. It is E ( best of the worst for me )
But I have a problem ... WHy is there no 'and' between garment industry and so persistent...and more importantly
why is there a 'comma' before that .. its rubbish


well there is a slightly deeper rule used over here.

It was with immense ferociousness ,that the lion pounced upon its prey.

Notice the use of adverbial phrase over here describing 'pounced'. The comma separates the phrase from the rest of the sentence.

Similarly comma can be used for appositive phrases,subordinate clauses and because clauses.

Here subordinate clauses are used in particular.
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I think this one of the weird GMAT prep questions... no good explanations in any of the forums... if some one can really go on and dissect it rather than just telling E looks better parallel than others , than KUDOS are waiting for him

So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social worker.

A. and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent,
B. and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that
C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that
D. lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent,
E. so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that




My question is what is take away from this question. any similar examples.
Do we not need the 'AND' before second SO.
Do we not need the verb in construction E (is ellipses work here..can some one so another example )



This sentence is not neither weird nor strange....is only tough. That's it

When a sentence is tough, forget about grammar rules and go straight to the meaning....the only way to overcome the situation and not get lost.

here after comma si not possible to have straight the subject because this not conveyed the sense of the sentence....you need something that relate the first part with the second part.

So you have to use or so that, that or that. B C and E

So that is wrong ...... quite clear. it is weird

her lobbying...........doesnt have any sense

So persistent ............correct because clearly it refers to Perkins.........

E is the best
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but choice E does not have a Verb in it. I discarded it in the first place when i checked So X, So Y, that Z construction.
Can u please help me
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but choice E does not have a Verb in it. I discarded it in the first place when i checked So X, So Y, that Z construction.
Can u please help me


Very nice question!.

First, the author used INVERSION construction. You can simply understand the structure is So X, so Y, and X & Y are two clauses. Nope. This is only one sentence. The second part is an absolute construction.

According to Wikipedia:

"In linguistics, an absolute construction is a grammatical construction standing apart from a normal or usual syntactical relation with other words or sentence elements. It can be a non-finite clause that is subordinate in form and modifies an entire sentence, an adjective or possessive pronoun standing alone without a modified substantive, or a transitive verb when its object is implied but not stated.The term absolute derives from Latin absolūtum, meaning "loosened from" or "separated".

Because the non-finite clause, called the absolute clause (or simply the absolute), is not semantically attached to any single element in the sentence, it is easily confused with a dangling participle. The difference is that the participial phrase of a dangling participle is intended to modify a particular noun, but is instead erroneously attached to a different noun, whereas a participial phrase serving as an absolute clause is not intended to modify any noun at all."

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Very informational post by e-GMAT! :)
I almost took a little over 2 minutes (30 seconds to choose between C and E) and arrived at E only due to parallelism.
C is in active voice and E is in the same voice as the clause before the underlined part.
Is is safe to assume that this is a 700+ question? I have hardly observed such ellipsis at play questions on the mocks that I have given


Thanks alot @paranoidvik for your kind words of appreciation. :) It gives us immense pleasure when GMAT community gets benefited from our posts :)

This question is a 700+ level question. :) So pat yourself for getting it correct. But at the same time, you took more than 2 minutes to answer it correctly. So you should spend the time learning from this question not just the concept but also the approach. Ask yourself - why did I take longer to answer this question? Why could I not spot the voice difference between choices C and E. In fact this is the key difference between the two close choices. From the meaning of the sentence you should have figured out that there are two things that the author talks about - so dogged was something, so persistent was something. And hence the requirement of making them parallel. So you should definitely introspect why you got tangled in these two choices.

Now coming to ellipsis in this question - There are two official questions in this post itself in which we see such parallelism. Now is such ellipsis application very prevalent - I would say no. But its worth noting such usages down so that you are not stumped by them if you see such usage in the exam environment. From ellipsis standpoint, I suggest you review our article on ellipsis in detail if you have not already done so. :)

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The 'her' in 'her lobbying ' is possessive pronoun and not object pronoun. 'her' is an adjective and the 'lobbying' is its noun. Unlike'him' for which we have two pronouns such as 'him' for object case and 'his' for the possessive case, we have only 'her' for both the cases. You may see, the possessive 'Frances Perkins’ investigations fit in smugly with 'her lobbying". E is the best fit.

Can you please reason now?
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I admired her hairstyle; here 'her' is not a pronoun but a modifier modifying the object 'style'. The thing is that 'her' is a special case, as we do not have a different word for marking a possessive adjective. Therefore, the context decides whether 'her' is an object pronoun or possessive pronoun.

However, this is not the case with other possessive pronouns and object pronouns.

I hated him; In fact, I hated his gross mannerism. In the second case, 'him' cannot replace the possessive 'his'. So also in all other cases such as 'me and my'; 'us and 'our; 'you and your'; 'it and its'; 'them and their'; etc.
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Jenifer's idea to climb the Everest was declined by her parents, but her strong conviction to do so convinced them & made her ready to march towards the campaign.

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This seems a poor question to me lets see why....

correct idiom is 'so x that ...A,B and D out

now remaining options C and E are awkward for
both lack 'be' verb i.e. 'was'...


anyway if I am forced to pick one that will be E

my query is if
So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that
and
So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that

both are run on sentences?


E is correct.

the sentences you mentioned are NOT run on sentences because the clauses are connected by "that"
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So dogged were Frances Perkin's investigations of the garment industry, and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social worker.

A. and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistet,
B. and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that
C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that
D. lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent
E. so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that

Please provide explanation for your answer choice. i will provide OA soon. Thank you!


Answer: E

Not the perfect choice, but certainly the best out of the five. All the other options are either not gramatically correct or lack parallelism.
Parallelism is - "So dogged were [her] investigations, so persistent her lobbying...that"


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