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New post 18 Oct 2007, 00:19
OA is C........but not convinced
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New post 18 Oct 2007, 18:52
This one is tricky.
No doubt that C strengthens the second part of the conclusion.
So, I looked at A and said that to myself- this supports the first part of the conclusion. That's where I went wrong.
The first part of the conclusion is "Removing the boxes will reduce the number of prank calls ..."
Choice A says " The fire department traces all alarm calls made from private telephones and records where they came from." - Just because they trace all calls and blah blah..doesn't mean that the prank calls will reduce. Thus, i'm guessing is the reason why Choice C most strongly supports.
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A. The fire department traces all alarm calls made from private telephones
and records where they came from.
it's giving more stress on private telephone
C. A telephone call can provide the fire department with more information
about the nature and size of a fire than can an alarm placed
from an alarm box.
here it's talking about all the phones in general
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New post 30 Jul 2008, 12:19
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A. The fire department traces all alarm calls made from private telephones
and records where they came from.
it's giving more stress on private telephone
C. A telephone call can provide the fire department with more information
about the nature and size of a fire than can an alarm placed
from an alarm box.
here it's talking about all the phones in general



good catch.. +1 for you

C is strongly supports the claim
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Springfield Fire Commissioner: the vast majority of false fire alarms are prank calls made anonymously from fire alarm boxes on street corners. Since virtually everyone has access to a private telephone, these alarm boxes have outlived their usefulness. Therefore, we propose to remove the boxes. Removing the boxes will reduce the number of prank calls without hampering people’s ability to report a fire.

Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the claim that the proposal, if carried out, will have the announced effect?

A. The fire department traces all alarm calls made from private telephones and records where they came from.
B. Maintaining the fire alarm boxes costs Springfield approximately five million dollars annually.
C. A telephone call can provide the fire department with more information about the nature and size of a fire than can an alarm placed from an alarm box.
D. Responding to false alarms significantly reduces the fire department’s capacity for responding to fires.
E. On any given day, a significant percentage of the public telephones in Springfield are out of service.

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OA is C. Am not impressed. Am thinking that A answers/supports better than option C, as A negates the Prank calls by tracing back to the person who called, without compromising the ability of the people to report.


Tough call among a, C and D.

Removing the boxes will reduce the number of prank calls without hampering people’s ability to report a fire. and C. A telephone call can provide the fire department with more information about the nature and size of a fire than can an alarm placed from an alarm box.

same. so c is logical.
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New post 11 Jan 2009, 14:49
Whew! Extremely close.

The proposed effect is "Removing the boxes will reduce the number of prank calls without hampering people’s ability to report a fire"

C is just throwing out extra info

A is saying that The fire department traces all alarm calls made from private telephones and records where they came from


Stimulus does not state that telephone calls are traceable. We cannot assume that they are traceable. Alarm boxes provide the traceability option because the FD knows the locations. Every home has a phone. If FD cannot trace it, the plan will not have announced effect. So it is needed for the plan to have the announced effect.

A is good.
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The proposed affect is: "Removing the boxes will reduce the number of prank calls without hampering people’s ability to report a fire".

A. The fire department traces all alarm calls made from private telephones
and records where they came from. Seems to support the argument

B. Maintaining the fire alarm boxes costs Springfield approximately
five million dollars annually. Out of scope...issue not associated with cost

C. A telephone call can provide the fire department with more information
about the nature and size of a fire than can an alarm placed from an alarm box. Issue is not about the details of the fire

D. Responding to false alarms significantly reduces the fire department’s
capacity for responding to fires. Issue is not about reliability...its about prank calls

E. On any given day, a significant percentage of the public telephones
in Springfield are out of service.Out of scope

What is the OA?
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New post 23 Mar 2010, 00:18
I think its A.

Options B & E are out of scope.
Option D -response time is not related to making prank calls .
Option C - nature and size of fire is irrelevant here.
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New post 23 Mar 2010, 14:37
IMO it is A. I Agree with sagmat's explanation.
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Passage is primarily about eliminating prank calls. If calls are traced and specific details of the telephone
calls recorded (as stated in A) then, the need to erase unwanted, "noise calls" is highlighted.

In C, nature and size of fire are irrelevant to the stem.

B & E do not address the issue at hand.
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I still cannot get why A is correct. Are you guys going by elimination because B,C,D,E may be eliminated. I guess we want to support removal of boxes reducing prank calls
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I still cannot get why A is correct. Are you guys going by elimination because B,C,D,E may be eliminated. I guess we want to support removal of boxes reducing prank calls


One of the premises given by the author is that "virtually everyone has access to a private telephone", which they can use to call in a fire alarm. This would include the people who currently use the fire alarm boxes to make prank calls. Suppose all the fire alarm boxes are removed. The pranksters can still use their private phones to make phone calls, and so the amount of prank calls will not necessarily be reduced. But if the fire department traces all calls made from private phones and are able to determine where they came from (and potentially the identity of the prank caller), this would discourage the pranksters from calling and would thus probably result in a reduction in the amount of prank calls.
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Used POE to reach A

Tracking calls from private telephones reduces the prank calls hence, supporting the whole reason why the boxes are removed in the first place A. The fire department traces all alarm calls made from private telephones
and records where they came from.

Irrelevant B. Maintaining the fire alarm boxes costs Springfield approximately
five million dollars annually.

Irrelevant C. A telephone call can provide the fire department with more information
about the nature and size of a fire than can an alarm placed
from an alarm box.

True but out of Scope D. Responding to false alarms significantly reduces the fire department’s
capacity for responding to fires.

Irrelevant E. On any given day, a significant percentage of the public telephones
in Springfield are out of service.
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I still cannot get why A is correct. Are you guys going by elimination because B,C,D,E may be eliminated. I guess we want to support removal of boxes reducing prank calls


We are not exactly looking to support removal of boxes to reduce prank calls. The issue is that the boxes are installed on street corners without any monitoring. So anyone can press it and walk away - a lot of pranks. So the idea is to REDUCE PRANKS BY REMOVING THE BOXES. HENCE FORCING PEOPLE TO USE THEIR HOME PHONE. So how does the home phone help in reducing pranks ? Coz the Fire Dept is tracking all calls made from home phone. So you better not think about playing a prank from your home phone.
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Springfi eld Fire Commissioner: The vast majority of false fi re alarms are prank calls made anonymously from fi re
alarm boxes on street corners. Since virtually everyone has access to a private telephone, these alarm boxes
have outlived their usefulness. Therefore, we propose to remove the boxes. Removing the boxes will reduce the
number of prank calls without hampering people’s ability to report a fi re.
Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the claim that the proposal, if carried out, will have the
announced effect?
(A) The fi re department traces all alarm calls made from private telephones and records where they
came from.
(B) Maintaining the fi re alarm boxes costs Springfi eld approximately $5 million annually.
(C) A telephone call can provide the fi re department with more information about the nature and size of a fi re
than can an alarm placed from an alarm box.
(D) Responding to false alarms signifi cantly reduces the fi re department’s capacity for responding to fi res.
(E) On any given day, a signifi cant percentage of the public telephones in Springfi eld are out of service.

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I guess it's fine with GMAC to copy n' paste some of their problems online if one has troubles with the explanation, but posting multiple problems as you are doing could be considered as copyright infringement since you don't even mention the source.
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I guess it's fine with GMAC to copy n' paste some of their problems online if one has troubles with the explanation, but posting multiple problems as you are doing could be considered as copyright infringement since you don't even mention the source.


If i give the source i wont be getting a good explanation by you people.Otherwise i was not having any problem giving the source. and that is why i have not given the OA too.Hope u can understand.
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Answer: A

"virtually everyone has access to a private telephone", which they can use to call in a fire alarm. This would include the people who currently use the fire alarm boxes to make prank calls.
Suppose all the fire alarm boxes are removed. The pranksters can still use their private phones to make phone calls, and so the amount of prank calls will not necessarily be reduced. But if the fire department traces all calls made from private phones and are able to determine where they came from (and potentially the identity of the prank caller), this would discourage the pranksters from calling and would thus probably result in a reduction in the amount of prank calls.
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withme wrote:
Springfield Fire Commissioner: the vast majority of false fire alarms
are prank calls made anonymously from fire alarm boxes on street
corners. Since virtually everyone has access to a private telephone,
these alarm boxes have outlived their usefulness. Therefore, we
propose to remove the boxes. Removing the boxes will reduce the
number of prank calls without hampering people’s ability to report a fire.

Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the claim that the
proposal, if carried out, will have the announced effect?

A. The fire department traces all alarm calls made from private telephones
and records where they came from.
B. Maintaining the fire alarm boxes costs Springfield approximately
five million dollars annually.
C. A telephone call can provide the fire department with more information
about the nature and size of a fire than can an alarm placed
from an alarm box.
D. Responding to false alarms significantly reduces the fire department’s
capacity for responding to fires.
E. On any given day, a significant percentage of the public telephones
in Springfield are out of service.

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OA is C. Am not impressed. Am thinking that A answers/supports better than option C, as A negates the Prank calls by tracing back to the person who called, without compromising the ability of the people to report.


Brother OA is A only
you must have seend wrong answer
its 109th question in OG12th edition
go back to the book again
although i got it wrong i marked C :( :( :(
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OK - I wanted to open this up again. Sometime ago this question was disucssed. One source claimed the OA is C with which I agreed. However discussions amidst the august house yielded A as the answer. People did not agree with C.

My reasoning for C is this -

The fact that removing the alarm boxes will eliminate Prank calls has been stated directly in the passage. So, there's no further corroboration required on that front.

C affirms that a Phone call can better describe the size and nature of the fire (thus establishing a direct advantage over a fire alarm call from the sought-to-be-displaced alarm box). Thus C asserts and validates what has been announced in the passage that removing the alarm box will reduce prank calls without hampering people's ability to report fires.

Please provide your opinion(s)


I Agree with your reasoning man
thats why only i chose C as the answer
but unfortunately the OA is A...OG 12th Edition 109th question :roll: :roll:
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