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Spurred by a miserable defeat on the court last weekend, John is now determined to train so hard that he may play tennis as well as Jane.

A. John is now determined to train so hard that he may play tennis as well as Jane
B. John is now determined to train hard to such a large degree that he may play tennis as well as Jane
C. John and Jane are determined now to train so hard that they may play tennis well
D. John has now determined to train hard enough to match Jane's skill
E. John is now determined to train so hard as to be able to play tennis as well as Jane

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A? Think there is no ambiguity here..as Tom only can play tennis?
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got down to A vs E - Why not E? why A?
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Confused between A and E. Why E is incorrect ?
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Spurred by a miserable defeat on the court last weekend, John is now determined to train so hard that he may play tennis as well as Jane.

A. John is now determined to train so hard that he may play tennis as well as Jane
B. John is now determined to train hard to such a large degree that he may play tennis as well as Jane
C. John and Jane are determined now to train so hard that they may play tennis well
D. John has now determined to train hard enough to match Jane's skill
E. John is now determined to train so hard as to be able to play tennis as well as Jane


a similar question in old og 11, "so that he could marry..."

B is wordy
C change the intended meaing. there is no reason to change meaning of choice A
D, has "enough" which is not idiomatic.
E, to be able shows a certainty. not logic here, . the possibility presented by "may" in A is better.
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Not much difference between "So X that Y" vs " So X as to Y" idiom usage.

As a rule - (GMAT preferred) - So X that Y is preferred to So x as to Y.
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In A) we have "he may play tennis as well as Jane". How can John play Jane? We have ambiguity over here. Can someone please guide.
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In the sentence, "as well as " is used. This shows comparison. Comparison is between John's play and Jane's play. There is concept of ellipsis in this bit.

John is not playing jane. The sentence is "John is now determined to train so hard that he may play tennis as well as Jane (Jane plays tennis)" The part plays tennis is removed - Ellipsis concept.
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Can anyone explain why cannot it be D as it removes the ambiguity cited in A.
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New post 11 Sep 2015, 08:44
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Can anyone explain why cannot it be D as it removes the ambiguity cited in A.


In D, usage of "has" is incorrect. It should be "is".

In original sentence author intend to say at this point of time for which usage of "is" is more apt.

Please correct me if I am wrong.


thangvietnam can you please point to some article/explain more why usage of "enough" is unidiomatic in D.
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In A) we have "he may play tennis as well as Jane". How can John play Jane? We have ambiguity over here. Can someone please guide.



A. John is now determined to train so hard that he may play tennis as well as Jane [does]

With the verb plays or the auxiliary does, the sentence would be clearer, but we can omit the verb to make the sentencs more concise.
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Hi mikemcgarry,

Can you please explain to me why E is NOT correct in this sentence ?

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Can you please explain to me why E is NOT correct in this sentence ?

Thank you in advance for your support.

Dear mihir0710

I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, this is an atrociously bad question. It is an embarrassment. First of all, the conversational topic is not at all like the academic topics of the official SC questions. Also, a high quality SC question has one clearly right answer and four incorrect choices that are incorrect for unambiguous reasons. This SC question is simply a mess.

Spurred by a miserable defeat on the court last weekend, John is now determined to train so hard that he may play tennis as well as Jane.
A. John is now determined to train so hard that he may play tennis as well as Jane

This is the question writer's OA. Was the question writer a native English speaker? This is strangely off--it's 100% grammatically correct, but somewhat awkward. The use of "may" is particularly awkward.

B. John is now determined to train hard to such a large degree that he may play tennis as well as Jane
Grammatically correct, but awkward. Not necessarily much more awkward than (A).

C. John and Jane are determined now to train so hard that they may play tennis well
Obviously, this changes the meaning. This is a horrible wrong answer, only because it's entirely self-evident that it's wrong!

D. John has now determined to train hard enough to match Jane's skill
I actually think this is the strongest answer--it conveys the meaning in a far more elegant way. The present perfect is unusual, admittedly. This is certainly not wrong in any discernible way.

E. John is now determined to train so hard as to be able to play tennis as well as Jane
This is a little wordy. It's always a bit awkward to combine the "so [adjective] as to" with "to be able to do X." It's too many words to convey that idea. For example, we could say:
John is now determined to train so hard that he can play tennis as well as Jane
John is now determined to train so hard in tennis that he can match Jane
That last version is a particularly compact way to convey the meaning.

As someone who write questions for a living, I would give this question a grade of an F. It's a complete failure. The topic & tone don't match official questions. The logic is sloppy. It's unclear exactly what GMAT SC principle this question is even trying to test. It is as if the question were written by someone with almost no idea of how official questions are structured.

Here's a high quality SC practice question:
What the eye sees

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)
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mihir0710 wrote:
Hi mikemcgarry,

Can you please explain to me why E is NOT correct in this sentence ?

Thank you in advance for your support.

Dear mihir0710

I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, this is an atrociously bad question. It is an embarrassment. First of all, the conversational topic is not at all like the academic topics of the official SC questions. Also, a high quality SC question has one clearly right answer and four incorrect choices that are incorrect for unambiguous reasons. This SC question is simply a mess.

Spurred by a miserable defeat on the court last weekend, John is now determined to train so hard that he may play tennis as well as Jane.
A. John is now determined to train so hard that he may play tennis as well as Jane

This is the question writer's OA. Was the question writer a native English speaker? This is strangely off--it's 100% grammatically correct, but somewhat awkward. The use of "may" is particularly awkward.

B. John is now determined to train hard to such a large degree that he may play tennis as well as Jane
Grammatically correct, but awkward. Not necessarily much more awkward than (A).

C. John and Jane are determined now to train so hard that they may play tennis well
Obviously, this changes the meaning. This is a horrible wrong answer, only because it's entirely self-evident that it's wrong!

D. John has now determined to train hard enough to match Jane's skill
I actually think this is the strongest answer--it conveys the meaning in a far more elegant way. The present perfect is unusual, admittedly. This is certainly not wrong in any discernible way.

E. John is now determined to train so hard as to be able to play tennis as well as Jane
This is a little wordy. It's always a bit awkward to combine the "so [adjective] as to" with "to be able to do X." It's too many words to convey that idea. For example, we could say:
John is now determined to train so hard that he can play tennis as well as Jane
John is now determined to train so hard in tennis that he can match Jane
That last version is a particularly compact way to convey the meaning.

As someone who write questions for a living, I would give this question a grade of an F. It's a complete failure. The topic & tone don't match official questions. The logic is sloppy. It's unclear exactly what GMAT SC principle this question is even trying to test. It is as if the question were written by someone with almost no idea of how official questions are structured.

Here's a high quality SC practice question:
What the eye sees

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)


Thank you so much sir ...really appreciate the response.
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A for me is correct one. I think, E is too wordy
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