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Parallelism is between children whose parents are Native english speakers and children whose parents are not English speakers.

In this context we are comparing children, i.e. two similar entities. Hence compared with has to be used. Compared to is used when we compare apples and oranges but here it is apples vs apples.

So applying the above two options E is the best suited option.
A & D are out because it uses "Compared To".
B is out because it uses who instead of whose.
C- just mentions "with". In this context we are comparing children with children. Not children and Native speakers.
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StevenSzekeres wrote:
Can someone please explain why "as compared to" does not work? ie why is it "as compared with"?


Steven,

"Compared to" and "compared with" are both fine idioms. Honestly, when you add in the "as" they both become suspect, but neither "as compared with" or "as compared to" are grammatically or idiomatically wrong. As bad as they might sound, we can't cross off any answers for this reason.

The real issue here is one that you can discover by always remembering to ask: "What is this problem really about?" and then "What does the GMAT like to test within that subject?" You need to get in the habit of asking yourself these questions when you see certain trigger words. The word "compared" in this problem is a giveaway that this problem is really about comparisons, which are really just a special form of parallelism. With comparisons, you need to compare apples to apples. The GMAT loves to create wrong answer choices that compares two things that can't logically be compared. Here, you need to compare either:

-children with children

or

-parents with parents

but you can't compare

-children with parents.

This gets us quickly down to D and E. If you can get that far, you've done great work! Between D and E, don't worry about it. We're constantly working to improve our curriculum, and this is one we have under review.

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E compares correctly. The pointers to be compared are of similar nature hence "compare with" and comparison should be between children whose parents does this and that.
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I totally understand the logic here, but isn't compare with Idiomatically wrong???
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Studies of test scores show that watching television has a markedly positive effect on children whose parents speak English as a second language, as compared to those whose native language is English.

A to those whose native language is English
B with children whose native language is English
C with those who are native English speakers
D to children whose parents do not
E with children whose parents are native English speakers

Can any one suggest why is A wrong
Those is a possessive pronoun should refer to preceeding noun in number which it is refering to parents and should logically refer to.

E is more wordy though its straight fwd.
I always mess up with Comparisons.... Pls suggest me whats wrong in my approach.

Originally posted by Archit143 on 08 Oct 2012, 02:59.
Last edited by hamm0 on 08 Oct 2012, 05:44, edited 1 time in total.
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Archit143 wrote:
Studies of test scores show that watching television has a markedly positive effect on children whose parents speak English as a second language, as compared to those whose native language is English.

to those whose native language is English
with children whose native language is English
with those who are native English speakers
to children whose parents do not
with children whose parents are native English speakers

Can any one suggest why is A wrong
Those is a possessive pronoun should refer to preceeding noun in number which it is refering to parents and should logically refer to.

E is more wordy though its straight fwd.
I always mess up with Comparisions.... Pls suggest me whats wrong in my approach.


The best way to solve comparisons is to think the PRIMARY question: What are we comparing?

SO, what are we comparing in this question
Answer: Children whose parents speak english as second language to children whose parents speak english as native language.

A is wrong because it compares children whose parents speak English as a second language TO those whose native language is English

I this case THOSE refers to parents.

Thus only contenders for right answer are B,D ,and E . And B,D can be easily eliminated . Therefore E is the answer
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I actually thought that D was also correct in this case.
I referred the Manhattan forum and found that they have made this question invalid as both D and E are correct.

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i've talked with Stacey, and we agree that "those" is fine to use for "children" in D, so the only real difference between D and E is the preposition at the beginning. Since that is a distinction that appears to be irrelevant these days, we have referred the problem to our problem writing committee. As far as i'm concerned, both D and E are acceptable on this one and the question is thus invalid..

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AmritaSarkar89 wrote:
I totally understand the logic here, but isn't compare with Idiomatically wrong???


Please go through this link to clear your doubt - https://grammarist.com/usage/compared-to ... ared-with/
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AmritaSarkar89 wrote:
I totally understand the logic here, but isn't compare with Idiomatically wrong???


GMAT does not seem to differentiate between the usages of "compared with" and "compared to". All the 5 options are alright depending on which meaning the author wants to convey ! Thumb rule: When there are more than one grammatically correct sentence select the one that retains the meaning of the original sentence. In that respect, option A should be correct because all 5 sentences are grammatically correct.

That said I do see a probable problem in the non-underlined part: The word "as" before "compared" is not generally used in GMAT.

Such questions are not expected in the real GMAT.


Hi, I am still unsure with the explanation given. If all ans are correct then I would like to know why you are inclining yourself towards A? with the rule of concision? My take is E because I guess meaning wise E is most clear one.
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sayantanc2k wrote:
AmritaSarkar89 wrote:
I totally understand the logic here, but isn't compare with Idiomatically wrong???


GMAT does not seem to differentiate between the usages of "compared with" and "compared to". All the 5 options are alright depending on which meaning the author wants to convey ! Thumb rule: When there are more than one grammatically correct sentence select the one that retains the meaning of the original sentence. In that respect, option A should be correct because all 5 sentences are grammatically correct.

That said I do see a probable problem in the non-underlined part: The word "as" before "compared" is not generally used in GMAT.

Such questions are not expected in the real GMAT.


Hi, I am still unsure with the explanation given. If all ans are correct then I would like to know why you are inclining yourself towards A? with the rule of concision? My take is E because I guess meaning wise E is most clear one.


I already mentioned in my previous post the following:
"When there are more than one grammatically correct sentence, select the one that retains the meaning of the original sentence. In that respect, option A should be correct because all 5 sentences are grammatically correct." I prefer A because all other sentences, though grammatically correct, change the meaning of the original sentence.

Nonetheless, you can be rest assured that you would never get 5 grammatically correct options in the real test.

Not just E, all sentences convey a clear meaning.
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Studies of test scores show that watching television has a markedly positive effect on children whose parents speak English as a second language, as compared to those whose native language is English.

(A) to those whose native language is English
(B) with children whose native language is English
(C) with those who are native English speakers
(D) to children whose parents do not
(E) with children whose parents are native English speakers

Manhattan says E, but I think it could be D. The pronoun "those" is not ambiguous since parents is referred to in the answer choice?


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Comparisons must compare logically parallel things, but this sentence compares "children whose parents speak English as a second language" with "those (children) whose native language is English.” (Note that the pronoun "those" refers to children logically and structurally, because of the parallelism required in a comparison. There is no pronoun error.) Logic tells us that a child can be in both of these categories: a child who is a native English speaker can have parents who speak English as a second language. Because the first item in the comparison - children whose parents speak English as a second language, is not underlined - we need to find a choice that contains a comparison between two things that are actually comparable (an “apples-to-apples” type of comparison).

Note that "compared to" and "compared with" are equivalent idioms from the point of view of the GMAT; either is correct. This split is merely an attempt to get us to waste time. According to some usage experts, these two idioms differ slightly in their emphasis on similarities vs. differences, but this distinction is not universally respected.

(A) This choice is incorrect, for the reasons given in the paragraph above.

(B) This choice continues to compare "children whose parents speak English as a second language" with "children whose native language is English."

(C) Although this choice replaces ”whose native language is English” with the equivalent phrase “who are native English speakers,” the choice does not fix the original comparison error. The sentence still compares “children whose parents speak English as a second language" with “children who are native English speakers.”

(D) The second group is now “children whose parents do not (speak English as a second language).” Do the parents in this second group speak English as a native language, then? Or do they not speak English at all? The meaning is ambiguous in this choice, while the meaning in the original sentence is quite clear: we’re comparing those who speak English as a second language to those who speak English as a first language.

(E) CORRECT. This choice correctly compares “children whose parents speak English as a second language” with the logically parallel “children whose parents are native English speakers."
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Till now my understanding for 'as compared with' was that it is incorrect idiom .
Please tell me in what all cases it will not be considered incorrect egmat
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GMATNinja I have learnt in my basic SC course that "as compared with" is not the correct idiom but here it is shown as correct. Can u please clear this up?

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In option D, can we fill the sentence using ellipsis.. [to children whose parents do not speak English as a second language]
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In option D, can we fill the sentence using ellipsis.. [to children whose parents do not speak English as a second language]

Yes, your understanding seems correct Vijay.
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[quote="akhil911"]I actually thought that D was also correct in this case.
I referred the Manhattan forum and found that they have made this question invalid as both D and E are correct.

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i've talked with Stacey, and we agree that "those" is fine to use for "children" in D, so the only real difference between D and E is the preposition at the beginning. Since that is a distinction that appears to be irrelevant these days, we have referred the problem to our problem writing committee. As far as i'm concerned, both D and E are acceptable on this one and the question is thus invalid..





I got this question on CAT2. I chose D but the system indicated that D is wrong and E is correct. I tend to disagree, but it is what it is
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