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# Subjunctive Mood

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15 Dec 2004, 21:22
Hi everybody!

A question for you guys:

Q) The senator recommended that social security laws should be changed so that women who have taken time off from paying jobs to raise families do not suffer financially.
a)
b) be changed so that women who have taken time off from paying jobs to raise families do not suffer financially.
c) change so as to not have women who have taken time off from paying jobs to raise families suffer financially.
d) be changed in order not to have women suffer financially who have taken time off from paying jobs to raise families
e) should change so women who have taken time off from paying jobs to raise families do not suffer financially.

To give you guys Hint ( I THINK THIS is a subjunctive mood question).
I got a example from Manhattan GMAT guide:

I respectfully ask that he BE allowed to continue.

The problem is that I am not able to comprehend how the above e.g from manhattan GMAT is correct n one of options in the question not.

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15 Dec 2004, 21:50
I will go with B

As I learned that answers involving should and the subjunctive verb tense are wrong answers, so A and E are OUT

Who in answer choice D should be preceeded by women and not financially.
so D is OUT

B is more consistent than C
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15 Dec 2004, 22:09
I would pick B.
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15 Dec 2004, 22:14
B it is
Saurabh Malpani,
I am not sure I understand your question. I will try to explain if you are more specific as to what is confusing you in this question
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15 Dec 2004, 22:52
Ok guys so to all of your surprise the OA is E.
Even I picked up B. But the OA says E.

I don't know thw source of the question I got it from testmagic. What I want to know is how come the OA is E.

I am not able to comprehend this.

Am i missing something?

I don't think so ..what do you guys think.

Saurabh Malpani
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16 Dec 2004, 07:28
I picked B too and when I saw the OA was E, I did a google on the question and found this link.

http://www.acescores.netfirms.com/TOEFL/Grammar_comparison/Grammar_Subjunctive/grammar_subjunctive.html
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16 Dec 2004, 09:30
Hi guys,

My two cents on this discussion.

I think the answer should be B. Here is why
1) the usage of "so that" is required. Just using the word "so" does not seems like proper English.
2) "should" cannot be used for subjunctive mood. I am pulling this from my memory and can be wrong, I don't think the Manhattan GMAT Sentence Correction book specifically stated that the word "should" cannot be use. I will check my Man GMAT book tonight.. Nonetheless, words like should and will and ought to are not required in subjunctive mood.

The only reason to pick E is to make the sentence looks shorter than B. Manhattan GMAT calls this "bevity", meaning the shorter the sentence the better. However, I notice in OG 10 that the "bevity" can create a trap for test takers. It is a good principle but not necessarily the best given other factors are considered.

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18 Dec 2004, 02:48
Yes, I recalled my memory that we don't use the word "should" with the subjunctive....
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18 Dec 2004, 14:28
Q) The senator recommended that social security laws should be changed so that women who have taken time off from paying jobs to raise families do not suffer financially.

First impression: "recommended that ... be" "Should" is redundant. a) is probably incorrect.

b) be changed so that women who have taken time off from paying jobs to raise families do not suffer financially.

Looks right. "who have ... raise families" modifies "women."

c) change so as to not have women who have taken time off from paying jobs to raise families suffer financially.

Laws cannot "change" themselves. They need to be changed. Who is doing the "having"? Sounds awkward. "not" divides "to have" - not good stylistically.

d) be changed in order not to have women suffer financially who have taken time off from paying jobs to raise families

"who have ... raise families" should be placed next to "women." Issue with "to have."

e) should change so women who have taken time off from paying jobs to raise families do not suffer financially.

Doesn't work due to "should change." Discussed previously.

My choice is B.
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18 Dec 2004, 17:27
Ok Guys I am sorry for posting wrong answer but I did inform you guys that I don't know the source of the question and I was not optimistic about the OA as E so I posted the question.

Thanks Ton for participating.

Thanks Gayathri for helping me out.

Saurabh Malpani
18 Dec 2004, 17:27
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