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Thai village crafts, as with other cultures, have developed through the principle that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills

(A) as with
(B) as did those of
(C) as they have in
(D) like in
(E) like those of

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Thai village crafts, as with other cultures, have developed through the principle that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills

(A) as with
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(C) as they have in
(D) like in
(E) like those of


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Can someone explain why 'D' is incorrect, and what is referrant for those in option 'E'


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sudhirmadaan and smartguy595,

What are we comparing -- we are comparing crafts of thai village with crafts of other culture..

what is happening in D..


Thai village crafts, like in other cultures, have developed through the principle ..
Errors--
1) the comparison is not even valid..
like is wrong here, "in other culture" is NOT noun and even if the comparison was correct , AS would be used ..
2) say the comparison is valid, which actually is not..
what does the sentence read-
Thai village crafts, like Thai village crafts in other cultures, have developed through the principle ..

Illogical even if take the sentence is correct grammatically
So D is out both grammatically and meaning wise..

How does E rectify it>


Thai village crafts, like those of other cultures, have developed through the principle ..
what is thai village crafts - crafts of thai village..
so those replaces CRAFTS and is correct
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Consider the comparison being done - Thai village crafts are being compared to other crafts.

This is a noun to noun comparison.

If you write 'did', it would mean comparing a noun to an action(verb). This would be inappropriate.
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The crafts themselves did nothing; they have developed through meaning that they were developed through, a passive voice action. So ‘as did those’ in B is incorrect.
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Hello Everyone!

This is a great example of a comparison sentence! Let's take a closer look at it to determine which option is the correct choice! Before we get started, here is the original question, with any major differences between the options highlighted in orange and blue:

Thai village crafts, as with other cultures, have developed through the principle that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills

(A) as with
(B) as did those of
(C) as they have in
(D) like in
(E) like those of

After a quick glance over the options, 2 major issues jump out:

1. like vs. as
2. Parallelism --> comparing Thai village crafts to: other cultures vs. other cultures' crafts


Since we're dealing with a comparison, the first place to focus our attention should be on parallelism! We MUST make sure that the two items being compared are similar in number, type, or phrasing.

We know that the first half of the comparison is Thai village crafts. The other half of the comparison should be crafts from other cultures. So let's see which sentences properly compare crafts to crafts:

(A) Thai village crafts, as with other cultures --> NOT PARALLEL (comparing crafts to cultures)
(B) Thai village crafts, as did those of other cultures --> PARALLEL (comparing crafts to crafts)
(C) Thai village crafts, as they have in other cultures --> NOT PARALLEL (comparing crafts to people in other cultures)
(D) Thai village crafts, like in other cultures --> NOT PARALLEL (comparing crafts to cultures)
(E) Thai village crafts, like those of other cultures --> PARALLEL (compares crafts to crafts)

We can eliminate options A, C, and D because they don't create parallel comparisons. Let's now take a closer look at the remaining options to determine which is the best choice:

(B) as did those of

This option is INCORRECT for a couple reasons. First, using the past tense verb "did" creates a problem with inconsistent verb tense. Since the sentence uses the verb "have developed" to describe Thai village crafts, we must use the same verb tense to describe other cultures' crafts as well. It also doesn't work to use "as" to compare two items here. You can only use "as" when it can be replaced with the phrase "the way" and still make sense.

(E) like those of

This option is CORRECT because it's clear that we're comparing the crafts of Thailand to the crafts of other cultures, and it uses the word "like" to clearly show that it's a comparison!

There you have it - option E is the correct choice!


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Here, village crafts of thai are simply being compared with the village crafts of other cultures. No clause-clause comparison is made. And in E like has been used correctly.
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I wanted to understand the usage of 'as' vs 'like'

Manhattan SC books says like cannot be used if it follows a prepositional phrase/clause. So here wouldn't 'as' be a better usage? What's wrong with 'C' ?



Thai village crafts,like those of other cultures , have developed through the principle that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills

1. Like is used for stating a comparison ( Thai Village Culture ----> Other Cultures)
2. Like is followed by a Pronoun ( Those ---> Referring to Crafts )

Refer MGMAT SC

Like is used to compare nouns, pronouns, or noun phrases.


Hence (E) is correct..........

Please follow go through this article to find out yourself why AS is not correct in this case -

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My main doubt here is why B is incorrect and E is correct
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Please explain my doubts.I know m missing something very feeble but still i want to make things clear.

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A)
Thai village crafts, as with other cultures, have developed through the principle that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills

we can write it as:
As it is the case with other cultures, thai village crafts have developed..........

so where is comparison becoming illogical?
means how cultures are being compared to craft ,i am not able to get.
does not it is the case stand for action of development ?

This construction is still a problem.

First, the phrase "As it is the case" is clunky and confusing. What does "it" refer to?

Also, the OA makes it clear that we're comparing crafts in Thai villages to crafts in other villages. This example appears to compare "cultures" to "crafts."

Last, when you see that an SC question is testing your understanding of comparisons, don't feel obligated to prove that every incorrect answer has an illogical comparison. If two sentences offer similar comparisons and one of them is clearer and more concise than the other, that option is objectively better. No need to overcomplicate things.

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B)ok here did is wrong
but if had been
Thai village crafts, as have those of other cultures[so as crafts of others cultures have developed,thai village crafts have deloped], have developed through the principle that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills

will it be correct?

i read in explanation for above sentence to be correct,
have developed of main clause should come first.
meaning
Thai village crafts have developed, as have those of other cultures[so as crafts of others cultures have developed,thai village crafts have developed], through the principle that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills

can some one explain me this logic?

Still problematic.

Because the first clause, "Thai village crafts have developed" can theoretically stand on its own, it initially sounds as though the sentence is communicating the following: "Thai village crafts have developed, and the crafts of other cultures have also developed." It's not until we get to the modifier beginning with "through" that we see that author wishes to convey how the respective crafts have developed, not that they have. Put another way, while the comparison isn't necessarily wrong, the sentence is confusing and requires the reader to double-back to make sense of it. Thus, there's no way this could be the best option.

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C)Thai village crafts, as they have in, have developed through the principle that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills

ok here they refers to thai village craft
so how it is wrong. thai village craft may be something like sufi music which may developed through same way in all cultures.
also
suppose they refers only to crafts
will it make sense then?

Thai village crafts, as crafts have developed in other cultures, have developed through the principle that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills

or here also we need to main verb-have developed first .

As Brian notes above, the use of "they" creates confusion in a way that "those of" does not.

Here's another example: "Amy's dogs are sharing a giant chocolate bar, while they frolic in Sandy's basement." In this example, "they" is referring to Amy's dogs, and it's her dogs that are running around in Sandy's basement. Contrast that example with: "Amy's dogs are sharing a giant chocolate bar, while those in Sandy's basement frolic." The phrase "those + preposition" indicates that we're referring to different dogs. Amy's dogs are eating chocolate, and the dogs in Sandy's basement are running around.

In other news, please do not feed your dogs chocolate. You could, however, feed chocolate to certain food-obsessed GMAT verbal experts...

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Thai village crafts, as with other cultures, have developed through the principle that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills

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Can someone explain why 'D' is incorrect, and what is referrant for those in option 'E'
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Thai village crafts, as with other cultures, have developed through the principle that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills

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Can someone explain why 'D' is incorrect, and what is referrant for those in option 'E'


Those of in this case is a demonstrative pronoun referring to "Crafts "
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Im sorry but i still have difficulty with comparisons even after watching your videos. kindly help.
Now my first choice is Option D . Also option E uses those of which is a clause following like which is incorrect. Kindly help. thank you



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I will be glad to help you with this one. :-)


Choice D is incorrect because the comparison word like has been followed by a preposition in. This usage is incorrect because when presenting comparison, like must be followed by the noun entity that forms one part of the comparison. It is not followed by any other entity.


Now let's talk about Choice E. Please bear in mind that a clause MUST have a subject and its verb. However, there is no verb in the structure that follows like.

In the phrase those of other cultures, the pronoun those stands for crafts. This phrase clearly presents the logical comparison between Thai village crafts and crafts of other cultures.


Hope this helps. :-)
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Im sorry to ask an irrelevant question like this, but can anybody explain for me the grammar used in this part of the sentence : " that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills" . why does the word "follows" got the "s" and also the "fashioned using" part. Thanks a lot




Hello AmeliaLuu,

I am not sure of you still have this doubt. Nonetheless, here is the explanation. :-)


Following is the structure of this official sentence with the correct answer choice E:

Thai village crafts, like those of other cultures, have developed through the principle
that form follows function
and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills.



In the above mentioned sentence, the plural subject Thai village crafts have two verbs - have developed and incorporate.

The subject for the singular verb follows is singular noun form. So the subject and the verb are in the same number.


The phrase fashioned using traditional skills is a verb-ed modifier that presents additional information about the noun readily available materials.

The sentence says that the materials used Thai village crafts are fashioned by using traditional skills.


Hope this helps. :-)
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Regarding whether "Thai" is an adjective or a possessive there, nationality descriptions could be either:

-Chinese exports rose 10% last month --> that's "the exports of China" as a possessive

-Chinese food is delicious --> Chinese is an adjective there describing a type of food

Then for the rest...I'll just circle back to the notion that Sentence Correction is more about good strategy and decision-making (and reading comprehension) than about getting deep in to the weeds of grammar. Which is to say 1) I'd be punching way above my weight class if I tried to get into a pages-long discussion about all the different permutations this problem could have taken...and while in my first year or so of teaching the GMAT that kind made me feel a little like a fraud ("how can I teach SC without knowing all these little angles on grammar?") I'm 100% convinced now that it's a feature and not a bug, because 2) whenever you find yourself past page 1 of a Google search for a grammatical concept, or on your 5th or 6th GMAT Club reply trying to figure it out, you're almost certainly missing a much more repeatable strategic component that's really at the heart of what they're testing.

Here like I said the presence of "those of" in two answer choices told me that it looks like they're testing a possessive comparison/modification - something I *know* the GMAT tests frequently so when I see that I make it a primary decision point - and once I identified that "Thai" looks like it's being used as a possessive, that's the whole game.
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If you say that the noun 'crafts will become a compound when you attach an adjective to the term, then you are getting confused that the "Thai village," is another noun. However, please note that its part of speech is here an adjective. Like when we say "oil price," don't mistake that there are two nouns such as oil and price. Oil is an adjective here. 'The Thai village crafts' is not compound but at best, it is a plural noun.
Please revisit the definition of a compound noun and verify. Secondly, if the Thai village crafts is a compound noun, where is the co-coordinating conjunction between them? You cannot have a compound noun without the use of coordinating conjunction.
Secondly, having already said that 'those' refers to the crafts, you should not again unnecessarily change it to 'Thai village crafts."
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amatya wrote:
Thai village crafts, as with other cultures, have developed through the principle that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills

(A) as with
(B) as did those of
(C) as they have in
(D) like in
(E) like those of


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Can someone explain why 'D' is incorrect, and what is referrant for those in option 'E'


Hi,
sudhirmadaan and smartguy595,

What are we comparing -- we are comparing crafts of thai village with crafts of other culture..

what is happening in D..


Thai village crafts, like in other cultures, have developed through the principle ..
Errors--
1) the comparison is not even valid..
like is wrong here, "in other culture" is NOT noun and even if the comparison was correct , AS would be used ..
2) say the comparison is valid, which actually is not..
what does the sentence read-
Thai village crafts, like Thai village crafts in other cultures, have developed through the principle ..

Illogical even if take the sentence is correct grammatically
So D is out both grammatically and meaning wise..

How does E rectify it>


Thai village crafts, like those of other cultures, have developed through the principle ..
what is thai village crafts - crafts of thai village..
so those replaces CRAFTS and is correct


Hi chetan2u,

thanks for the explanation. I missed this point - "like must always be followed by noun/pronoun" :(
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I wanted to understand the usage of 'as' vs 'like'

Manhattan SC books says like cannot be used if it follows a prepositional phrase/clause. So here wouldn't 'as' be a better usage? What's wrong with 'C' ?

chetan2u wrote:
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amatya wrote:
Thai village crafts, as with other cultures, have developed through the principle that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills

(A) as with
(B) as did those of
(C) as they have in
(D) like in
(E) like those of


Press Kudos if you like the post


Can someone explain why 'D' is incorrect, and what is referrant for those in option 'E'


Hi,
sudhirmadaan and smartguy595,

What are we comparing -- we are comparing crafts of thai village with crafts of other culture..

what is happening in D..


Thai village crafts, like in other cultures, have developed through the principle ..
Errors--
1) the comparison is not even valid..
like is wrong here, "in other culture" is NOT noun and even if the comparison was correct , AS would be used ..
2) say the comparison is valid, which actually is not..
what does the sentence read-
Thai village crafts, like Thai village crafts in other cultures, have developed through the principle ..

Illogical even if take the sentence is correct grammatically
So D is out both grammatically and meaning wise..

How does E rectify it>


Thai village crafts, like those of other cultures, have developed through the principle ..
what is thai village crafts - crafts of thai village..
so those replaces CRAFTS and is correct
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Im sorry to ask an irrelevant question like this, but can anybody explain for me the grammar used in this part of the sentence : " that form follows function and incorporate readily available materials fashioned using traditional skills" . why does the word "follows" got the "s" and also the "fashioned using" part. Thanks a lot
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Can someone please explain why option C is incorrect here?

I marked E but was a bit confused between C and E. I thought 'Thai village crafts have developed' could be parallel to 'as they (crafts) have (developed - omitted for ellipsis effect) in'.
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Im sorry but i still have difficulty with comparisons even after watching your videos. kindly help.
Now my first choice is Option D . Also option E uses those of which is a clause following like which is incorrect. Kindly help. thank you
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