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Re: The 151 member governments of the World Bank are expected to increase [#permalink]
I'm still confused.

So it's agreed that the obstacle = the concern that the loans will help foreign producers to compete with American businesses.

Then why not D?
if the concern = the obstacle, and the obstacle = the concern
what's wrong with saying "the concern, an obstacle......, that...." ?
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Hey GMATNinja

Can you share your thoughts on this question?

Acc. to all the explanations above, the idiom used is "cite as X Y". But in the question the idiom is in the form "cite as Y X". I don't want to be too rigid over here but I'm a little confused with the convoluted form of this question.

I'm not sure that you're going to like my answer much, pikolo2510!

So I think we're all accustomed to seeing the construction “cite x as y,” but in the correct answer you see the construction, “cite as y x,” which might sound a bit strange to you. Frankly, it does SOUND strange. But it's not wrong: it's perfectly logical to say that somebody "cites the concern... as an obstacle to passage" or to say that somebody "cites as an obstacle... the concern..." Either way, the meaning is fine.

Here’s the bigger takeaway: relying primarily on your ear to eliminate wrong answer choices is supremely dangerous. So instead of agonizing over what the proper idiomatic construction is – or painstakingly memorizing long lists of the 25,000 idioms in English - focus on finding concrete logic or grammar errors in four of the answer choices. If you can, the remaining option with the goofy idiom is your goofy correct answer. :-)

Put another way, the key question isn't "why is the idiom in C correct?" It's "why are A, B, D, and E wrong?" (Hint: all four are illogical.)

I hope this helps a bit!


Is option (C) a run on sentence? Do we need a conjunction joining "concern"?
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Can someone please explain the difference between C and D?



Lets look at choice D. It says: “…. cite the concern, an obstacle to congressional passage that the bank’s loans will help foreign producers compete with American businesses”. What does ‘that’ modify in this choice? ‘that’ modifies obstacle.

However, the according to the original sentence that should modify concern (and not obstacle).

Another way to look at it is that bank’s loans will help foreign producers compete with American businesses is actually a concern (as suggested in the original sentence) and not an obstacle (as suggested by D). Hence, D is wrong.


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But "an obstacle to congressional passage" is in a comma pair. "That" is more flexible as a relative pronoun so can't it appear to modify "the concern" and not the closest entity "an obstacle"?
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EducationAisle wrote:
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Can someone please explain the difference between C and D?



Lets look at choice D. It says: “…. cite the concern, an obstacle to congressional passage that the bank’s loans will help foreign producers compete with American businesses”. What does ‘that’ modify in this choice? ‘that’ modifies obstacle.

However, the according to the original sentence that should modify concern (and not obstacle).

Another way to look at it is that bank’s loans will help foreign producers compete with American businesses is actually a concern (as suggested in the original sentence) and not an obstacle (as suggested by D). Hence, D is wrong.


Hi EducationAisle , Thanks for the explanation just wanted to clarify one thing, "that" as a modifier can also modify "concern" if it is logical, so shall i assume that its more like pronoun ambiguity than misplaced modifier?

Thanks in advance.
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The 151 member governments of the World Bank are expected to increase the bank’s funding by $175 billion, though some United States legislators cite an obstacle to Congressional passage being the concern that the bank’s loans will help foreign producers compete with American businesses.

(B) a concern as an obstacle to Congressional passage
CITE X as Y

(C) as an obstacle to Congressional passage the concern
Cite As Y X
As in above posts, it is mentioned Cite as Y X is not wrong. But what's wrong with B.
I find B more clear and without changing meaning ( cite a concern that there would be an instance to congressional passage). What's wrong with that?


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MartyTargetTestPrep can you disect the meaning of each answer choice? struggling to find a solid reason to eliminate A-D. appreciate the help!
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One of the key usages and meanings in this sentence is the verb “-to cite”.

In this context, one “cites” an example as proof for a theory or as a reason why something has happened.

The “concern that the funds will be used by foreign producers” IS the evidence for the theory that congressional passage might be an “obstacle”. As such, the legislators cite “the CONCERN.”

Therefore, it does not make sense to say that the legislators “cited an obstacle” in the context of this sentence. For this reason (among others) A is wrong.

The issue in B is the remote relative pronoun “that.”

“as an obstacle….” is an adverbial modifier describing the reason WHY the legislators cite the concern.

It is troublesome to expect the relative clause beginning with “that” to modify the referent noun “concern” by jumping OVER this adverbial modifier.

For this reason, the structure of the sentence in C is superior to B’s structure.

D changes the prep. phrase - adverbial modifier to a parenthetical describing the noun “concern.”

The sentence loses its intended meaning. The legislators are no longer citing the “concern AS evidence.”

By placing the information in a nonessential appositive noun modifier, the sentence has a similar meaning to answer A, with the only difference being that they are citing “the concern” for no apparent reason as opposed to citing the “obstacle” for no apparent reason.

E has an orphan pronoun. The pronoun “it” can not refer to the action of “to increase the banks’s funding by $175 billion.” No mention is made of a noun fulfilling the logically intended antecedent: the measure, the bill, etc.

C is the best answer.

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The 151 member governments of the World Bank are expected to increase the bank’s funding by $175 billion, though some United States legislators cite an obstacle to Congressional passage being the concern that the bank’s loans will help foreign producers compete with American businesses.


(A) an obstacle to Congressional passage being the concern

being the concern - always wrong in gmat

(B) a concern as an obstacle to Congressional passage

Here, logical meaning is very important to eliminate this option . The concern is that bank’s loans will help foreign producers compete with American businesses.Its not the passage that the bank’s loans will help foreign producers compete with American businesses. That modifies passage here and that's wrong . So, B is out.

(C) as an obstacle to Congressional passage the concern

Its difficult to imagine that C is a right choice. We need to remember Idiom - Cite as YX . not Cite X as Y. Also, the concern that the bank’s loans will help foreign producers compete with American businesses, conveys the right meaning .
Keep C

(D) the concern, an obstacle to Congressional passage,
A very good option to confuse us. How to eliminate D.
passage , that . Here, that acts as non-vital modifier. As per the general rule , non-vital modifier should touch the nearest noun. So, that modifies passage . Then the same error explained in B will appear here. So, d is out.
(E) as an obstacle for Congress to pass it the concern
to pass it the concern. I don't know what to pass . It - ambiguous . Eliminate E.

So, C is our winner.

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Re: The 151 member governments of the World Bank are expected to increase [#permalink]
Option Elimination -

(A) an obstacle to Congressional passage being the concern - "being the concern" usage as a modifier - avoid it.

(B) a concern as an obstacle to Congressional passage - we need "the concern."

(C) as an obstacle to Congressional passage the concern - structure Cite as XY. Correct. Moreover, "that" is closer to "the concern" - better

(D) the concern, an obstacle to Congressional passage, - the concern as an obstacle, so we can't add the important part in the commas.

(E) as an obstacle for Congress to pass it the concern - "it" for what?
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