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# The 2008 ZERO admits club

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Manager
Joined: 16 Dec 2007
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Schools: Kellogg (R2), UCLA (R2)

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04 Apr 2008, 06:07

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04 Apr 2008, 06:26
This is a tough thread... I am going to be applying in 2009 and seeing people with such stellar profiles getting dinged at all the schools I want to apply to just goes to show how tough it is out there.

Best of luck to each and every one of you. Put your time into improving your portfolio and work on doing something non-traditional..

I hope to see you all in the 2009 threads next year with admits!

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04 Apr 2008, 06:38
Don't take this the wrong way, but I see one commonality among many of you: age. 3 years ago, b-schools were telling people to get experience, now anyone with 5+ years is at a disadvantage. Trust me, I know

Last edited by elhajoui on 06 Apr 2008, 14:00, edited 1 time in total.

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Affiliations: HHonors Diamond, BGS Honor Society
Joined: 05 Apr 2006
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Schools: Chicago (Booth) - Class of 2009
GMAT 1: 730 Q45 V45

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04 Apr 2008, 07:33
I'm usually the first to say it -- stats don't get you into a school -- but I'm nonetheless struck by the notable years of experience and GMAT scores here. Just a week ago, someone sent me their application essays for Chicago and I truly thought they were excellent. I nitpicked a little, but they hit on everything clearly -- short term, long term, clear why, clear passion, academic goals, non academic interests, clearly stating why now, demonstrated an understanding of the schools strengths, evidence of substantial and notable effort to research, etc etc etc.

I really hope you all stick around -- Helg is the perfect example of reapplication success. Stick with it -- next year you'll have people pulling for you at many different schools around the world.

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04 Apr 2008, 07:55
Yeah, guys, don't give up! I've been in your shoes last year (4 applications, 2 WL turned dings, 2 dings after interview). It was painful and I feel your pain now.

I know, my essays were really not great last year, so I put additional effort into my re-application essays. At least none of you have to retake GMAT, right (adcxaway, I do not think 710 is low, not really)? Look at the bright side of it!

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Director
Joined: 24 Apr 2007
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04 Apr 2008, 08:08
I feel for you guys. I was so close to being in the club, just getting lucky with Michigan. This has been such a grueling process, I don't know if I could stand to go another round. I imagine the reapplication cycle may be easier, since you will be more familiar with the process and have a good base of material to work with. Good luck all.

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04 Apr 2008, 10:46
I feel your pain everyone. But it's good to have this thread and self reflect so you can succeed next year! I also wish that the W/L folks get in later on.

But keep at it. Like Helg said, he survived 4 dings and turned it into a GSB admit! That sort of success story should be your inspiration and motivation.

I will definitely be around next year, and for you guys, I will help you review some essays and give pointers (for however much it's worth). If any of you are applying to Haas, Anderson, or Kellogg, I can definitely let you know what I thought were important. And whether I end up at Haas or Kellogg, I'll definitely try to pass on some "insider" info too, just to get you all in.

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Joined: 05 Feb 2008
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04 Apr 2008, 12:41
Great thread, really opened my eyes.

I am not applying till 2011, but I really hope I get to hear your success stories next cycle, and that you guys will stick around and help future business school candidates because I think that you guys have great stats, and provide tremendous amount of information.

Good luck.

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04 Apr 2008, 17:39
Hi all, firstly kudos to everyone who's shared their story here. It takes courage to put one's failure out in the open. Secondly, this thread could well read like an admits thread for HBS - with the statistics and the number of interesting experiences thrown around. Hell the average GMAT score here is actually higher than Stanford's class average.

Secondly, thanks for all the support from everyone else in gmatclub. You have all come out in support for us and we really appreciate it.

I certainly hope everywhere here sticks around for another round of applications next year.

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07 Apr 2008, 06:33
Hi rsp, I agree - the dings post interview are the toughest to take. Good luck for next year, do stick around the forum. I also like your positive attitude about the whole reapplication process.

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07 Apr 2008, 06:36
BSD,

Let me know when you are planning on starting the new b-school. I will definitely help you with it .

And, we would probably get a high ranking with the high GMAT scores all of us have anyway.

Watch out USNews, here we come!

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07 Apr 2008, 14:25
Thanks for the encouragement kwam, you're a champion

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07 Apr 2008, 14:41
Thanks Kwam, Kry, River in short all of you pouring encouragement for the royal members of the zero admits club. It sure is touching and very encouraging especially with the offers to help. Speaking for myself and no doubt a lot of members here...all of you are much more than peers and mentors...you're like the well connected uncles many of us never had.

Kudos to bsd for coming up with this thread...its so touchè!

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07 Apr 2008, 17:25
luckytown2010 wrote:
I've been lurking on this thread for a long time, planning on posting once I had some good news. I've pretty much been waitlisted across the board, so I thought I would share my story and see if you have any advice. I really appreciate the supportive GMAT club community, even though I haven't yet shown it. You guys have gotten me through some difficult times without even knowing it - so thanks, I owe you.

GMAT score: 760
Work Experience : 3 years
Location : NYC
#Applications : 6
#Dings : 1
#Interviews : 3
#WL : 3 (Columbia, NYU, Yale)

Which ding hurt the most and why?
I've only been dinged at Stanford and it didn't really affect me very much. I knew Stan was a longshot to begin with, and I gave up long ago when I didn't receive an interview. The waitlist at NYU really stung because I was fairly confident that I would be accepted there - I guess there's still a chance!

What next?
My profile is unlike anyone's I've seen on these boards or others. I've been in PR for three years, the first year at an agency and the last 2 at a hospital. I am seeking to gain a deeper understanding of the implications of the healthcare issues I deal with on a daily basis and land a strategy position either as a member of a healthcare team at a MC firm or an internal position at a healthcare organization. I've applied mostly to schools with strong MPH programs as well, with the intention of adding the joint degree once admitted. Ultimately, I'm hoping to specialize in crisis management (one of my main communications functions as a hospital spokeswoman).

I'm currently taking Accounting at NYU and microeconomics online (Berkeley extension). I'll submit those grades and visit a healthcare class at Columbia in 2 weeks. And then there's the waiting, as if we haven't done enough already...

I am also planning on applying to a top-ranked, part-time MPH program that my employer will sponsor. I am young (24) and believe I could benefit from this program and gain some skills that will make me more marketable in the future - especially if I decide to reapply. The recruiters at the school of public health, though I won't have as much involvement with recruiting as a part-time student, are actually a better fit for what I want to do post-grad. So, I'm questioning whether I need an MBA at all (thoughts?). I sometimes think that a program that is more learning-centric than career-centric might be a better fit, and they take the GMAT in lieu of the GRE, so my accomplishment there doesn't go to waste

Of course, I'll still fight to get off the waitlists! And I have yet to hear from Haas (MBA/MPH) and Gtown (both R3).

Why the lack of success?
I think a combination of youth/inexperience + lack of quantitative background/quantitative job + atypical b-school candidate make me a wild card. Also, following the advice of Garrison Keiller a little too closely:

"Tim Russell: Learn something practical — something that gives you job skills and leads to a career — English!!! Why not get a business degree? What are you going to do with a B.A. in English?

GK: Live. Have a life. That's what."

Hey Luckytown, this is like deja vu.
My profile is pretty 'wildcard-y" too..

GMAT Score: 730
Indian, male, 30
Non-engineer.
7 years experience in India and HK.
Apps: 5 (HBS, W, Stanford, Kellogg, MIT)
Interviews: 2

I'm a copywriter - a creative person in an ad agency. Make ad films. Want to get into Strat Consulting.

Which ding hurt the most?
All of them! Think I wrote very interesting essays.
But especially Wharton. Had a great interview. Was told I was the most original interviewee she had met. A blue sky thinker, in fact.

What next?
After the process, I'm wiser for it. Wharton seems the best fit for me. Hopefully as a reapplicant I might have a better chance in R1 this year. Have to pump up my ECs.

Reason for lack of success:
My age, maybe. Older applicats seem to have it tougher this year.
My switch from a non-quant and lateral stream like Creative advertising into something like Strat Consulting may've been a bridge too far (you think?). Maybe I didn't make the connection too well.
I think with the economic and job market as frail as it is today, most b-schools have played it slightly safe and gone for candidates with maximum chances of getting recruited by companies.

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09 Apr 2008, 08:24
Thanks, Kwam!!..BSD puts it well. you are a Champion..
Fellow zero admit clubbers, keep up the good work and aim for the jackpot next year.

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09 Apr 2008, 20:23
gmat_march, did you consider re-taking GMAT? A higher GMAT score can get you the nod from Cornell. Think about it...

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16 Apr 2008, 08:10
the 0 admit club has such great stats and profiles that any new member joining on here and thinking of applying in the fall would be overwhelmed by the level of competition. I believe we all must hang on here and make sure we apply to top choices in ED/ round 1 and help each other out any way we can. We are also fortunate to have admits who have promised to hang around and help out any way they can, so we have all the help needed.

Speaking of admits hanging around, where is Dosa ? guess he is vacationing some place exotic

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16 Apr 2008, 08:16
Yes, he is. In that tropical oasis called Cincinnati, OH.

pandeyrav wrote:
where is Dosa ? guess he is vacationing some place exotic

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16 Apr 2008, 10:21
Again, everyone has amazing stats. I hope you all get into your school of choice next round!

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16 Apr 2008, 10:41
it is sincerely the goal of many of us 2008-ers to help the reapplicants for 2009 all get in. Keep us on your radars for help.
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