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The Academia Sectrorum Naturae, the first scientific community, was founded in 1560, and in order to be included in membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, a prerequisite for admission.
A. 1560, and in order to be included in membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, a prerequisite for admission
B. 1560, and included a prerequisite for admission: in order to be included, you had to have made the discovery of a new law of nature
C. 1560 with a prerequisite for admission: the discovery of a new law of nature
D. the year 1560, including the prerequisite that to be admitted, you needed to have discovered a new law of nature
E. 1560 with the rule that in order to be admitted for membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, that was the prerequisite

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Originally posted by veenu08 on 27 Aug 2013, 21:09.
Last edited by pqhai on 30 Aug 2013, 12:04, edited 3 times in total.
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The Academia Sectrorum Naturae, the first scientific community, was founded in 1560, and in order to be included in membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, a prerequisite for admission.

A. 1560, and in order to be included in membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, a prerequisite for admission
Wrong. Parallelism problem: "and" is parallel marker, but "was founded in 1950" and "in order to be included in membership" are NOT parallel.

B. 1560, and included a prerequisite for admission: in order to be included, you had to have made the discovery of a new law of nature
Wrong. The usage of colon ":" means you're explaining for something ==> Present simple tense is enough. But in B, "you had to" means past tense. Hence, B is wrong.

C. 1560 with a prerequisite for admission: the discovery of a new law of nature
Correct.
"with a prerequisite ...." just modifies the subject "The Academia Sectrorum Nature". Does not change meaning.
After a colon ":", you can use noun/noun phrase/clause. Because the part after the colon is just an explanation for something before the colon.
Other example: Medication X was initiated in 1990 with the main purpose: helping human being live longer.

D. the year 1560, including the prerequisite that to be admitted, you needed to have discovered a new law of nature
Wrong.
"the year 1560" is wordy, "in 1560" is enough.
" including the prerequisite that to be admitted" is not grammatical;
"you needed to have discovered" is bad grammar.

E. 1560 with the rule that in order to be admitted for membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, that was the prerequisite
Wrong.
"you had" means past tense. But the sentence just wants to explain a rule in general, so present simple tense is better.
"that" refers to "a new law of nature" incorrectly.

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IMO B

Intended Meaning: The prerequisite for one's admission is that one has to discover a new law of nature.

A - new law of nature seems to be the prerequisite for admission. <Wrong Meaning>
B - seems okay but lengthy. (assumed the second "included" is a typo; instead, it has to be "admitted")
C - wrong meaning again
D - okay
E - wrong modifier (seems like membership is the prerequisite; the modifiers are messed up)

So, we are down to B and D.

In option D, "needed to have" seems odd. Option B has correct tense - "had to have made"
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The academia secretorum naturae, the first scientific community, was founded in 1560, and in order to be included in membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, a prerequisite for admission.

A. 1560, and in order to be included in membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, a prerequisite for admission
B. 1560, and included a prerequisite for admission: in order to be included, you had to have made the discovery of a new law of nature.
C. 1560 with a prerequisite for admission: the discovery of a new law of nature.
D. the year 1560, including the prerequisite that to be included, you needed to have discovered a new law of nature.
E. 1560 with the rule that in order to be admitted for membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, that was the prerequisite.

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if option C is really the answer then i feel that the intended meaning is very awkward . the implied meaning of C is that The academia secretorum naturae was founded with the intention of having a prerequisite for admission,a meaning that does not make any sense !!. institute can have a prerequisite for admission and so this fact should have been presented with a parallelism .also institutes are opened with much broader intentions and not with such narrow intentions as is described in option C
i don't feel good about this question !!

Dear Sukant2010 & aditya8062,
I'm happy to respond. :-) This is a truly horrible question. This question apparently was written by someone who had absolutely no understanding of the rigorous standards of the GMAT.
I could see, maybe, testing the colloquial "you" mistake in one answer choice, but testing this in four answer choices is preposterous. The OA, (C), indeed is awkward. This doesn't have the feel of the types of splits the real GMAT would use. This question is an unremitting disaster.
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honestly i really do not believe into the theory of "meaning of original sentence" ,because 80 % of the time option A is wrong !! so there is no reason as why i should preserve the original meaning but yes, as i have said, i find meaning of C awkward

I would caution you here. While's it's true that 80% of the time, (A) is wrong, nevertheless, the real GMAT communicates clearly a meaning in (A), and it is very important not to change that meaning. This is not a "theory" --- this is part and parcel of how the question is structured. The problem comes with looking at low quality practice questions, such as this one --- in many ways, these questions can be quite misleading, because they fall so short of the high standards of the GMAT.
Does all this make sense?
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Please explain why C is the correct choice? I think it lost the intended meaning. These facts are not so closely related and should be written in the form of independent clauses.

1. A community was founded
2. Criteria to be its member


What is wrong with choice A?

I found choice A better than c


In A it appears that the rule is applicable only for "you", the person spoken to, not in general for anybody. Though in colloquial language, we often use such style, in official language such usage is not acceptable.

Moreover if an option uses fewer words to express the same idea, it is considered better.
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The Academia Sectrorum Naturae, the first scientific community, was founded in 1560, and in order to be included in membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, a prerequisite for admission.

A. 1560, and in order to be included in membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, a prerequisite for admission
B. 1560, and included a prerequisite for admission: in order to be included, you had to have made the discovery of a new law of nature
C. 1560 with a prerequisite for admission: the discovery of a new law of nature
D. the year 1560, including the prerequisite that to be admitted, you needed to have discovered a new law of nature
E. 1560 with the rule that in order to be admitted for membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, that was the prerequisite

By mentioning the word "prerequisite", the intent of the topic is that if one wants to be admitted into the ASN, then one must have already discovered something new. One cannot say that he will enter ASN and then discover something new in the following years.

A and E say "you had to discover' but not "had to have discovered". They are straight out. In C, the noun phrase after colon doesn't seem to make clear whether the new discovery is an already made one or it is going to be made later. Thus, it misses the intent of the issue.

The main contention is between B and D, and both seem to be good or bad; both use the conversational 'you', not seen in GMAT.

B abounds in jarring redundancies. D is wordy with the inclusion of 'the year 1560' rather than '1560'. However, in D, the verb+ing "including" is indeed an apt modifier in that it is an additional information to the main intent of revealing the timeline of the founding year of ASN. Perhaps D is the best among the lot.
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Hi Veenu08,

Please underline the question. It becomes really difficult to solve the qns without this. :)
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I'll go with C because I think option A and B do have redundancy.
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IMO C
a) 1560, and in order to be included in membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, a prerequisite for admission - redundant and wrong usage of 'included in'
b) 1560, and included a prerequisite for admission: in order to be included, you had to have made the discovery of a new law of nature - redundant
c) 1560 with a prerequisite for admission: the discovery of a new law of nature - correct
d) the year 1560, including the prerequisite that to be admitted, you needed to have discovered a new law of nature - founding did not INCLUDE prerequisite & second "," is not required
e) 1560 with the rule that in order to be admitted for membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, that was the prerequisite
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To my understanding ,C changes the meaninng.

IMO-A :?
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The Academia Sectrorum Naturae, the first scientific community, was founded in 1560, and in order to be included in membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, a prerequisite for admission.

A. 1560, and in order to be included in membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, a prerequisite for admission
B. 1560, and included a prerequisite for admission: in order to be included, you had to have made the discovery of a new law of nature
C. 1560 with a prerequisite for admission: the discovery of a new law of nature
D. the year 1560, including the prerequisite that to be admitted, you needed to have discovered a new law of nature
E. 1560 with the rule that in order to be admitted for membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, that was the prerequisite

OA after some discussion


C seems to the most concise but may have omitted some details necessary to the sentence.
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The Academia Sectrorum Naturae, the first scientific community, was founded in 1560, and in order to be included in membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, a prerequisite for admission.
A. 1560, and in order to be included in membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, a prerequisite for admission
B. 1560, and included a prerequisite for admission: in order to be included, you had to have made the discovery of a new law of nature
C. 1560 with a prerequisite for admission: the discovery of a new law of nature
D. the year 1560, including the prerequisite that to be admitted, you needed to have discovered a new law of nature
E. 1560 with the rule that in order to be admitted for membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, that was the prerequisite

OA after some discussion



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The meaning of the sentence is is that " the ASN was found in 1560 and to get an admit to this community, you needed to have discovered a new law of nature. The discovery of the new law is a pre -requisite.

A: was founded in 1560, and in order to be included is not parallel to the first verb " was founded"
B: Looks okay but we keep on hold the problem being redundancy " included a prerequisite for admission: in order to be included, you had to have made the discovery of a new law of nature "
C: Sentence C seems to be fragment with no verb for the 2nd part of sentence " The discovery of law of nature"
D: Use of ing modiifer does on of the 2 things
a. presents additional information about the preceding clause or
b. presents result of preceding clause.
In this case the" including the prerequisite that to be admitted " presents additional information about how to get an admit
you needed to have discovered a new law of nature (verb tense seems to be an issue)
E. Can be ruled out as it wordy and awkward.

B looks the best among the given options.
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It seems that B, long but it gives the meaning well.
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IMO C..

The Academia Sectrorum Naturae, the first scientific community, was founded in 1560, and in order to be included in membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, a prerequisite for admission.

A. 1560, and in order to be included in membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, a prerequisite for admission - there is no sequence of events
B. 1560, and included a prerequisite for admission: in order to be included, you had to have made the discovery of a new law of nature - Seems like something is included in community + Noun/phrase/Clause after colon shall continue to explain what is before colon
C. 1560 with a prerequisite for admission: the discovery of a new law of nature - clear and Concise
D. the year 1560, including the prerequisite that to be admitted, you needed to have discovered a new law of nature - changes the meaning
E. 1560 with the rule that in order to be admitted for membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, that was the prerequisite - Wordy
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The academia secretorum naturae, the first scientific community, was founded in 1560, and in order to be included in membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, a prerequisite for admission.

A. 1560, and in order to be included in membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, a prerequisite for admission
B. 1560, and included a prerequisite for admission: in order to be included, you had to have made the discovery of a new law of nature.
C. 1560 with a prerequisite for admission: the discovery of a new law of nature.
D. the year 1560, including the prerequisite that to be included, you needed to have discovered a new law of nature.
E. 1560 with the rule that in order to be admitted for membership, you had to discover a new law of nature, that was the prerequisite.

I have one major doubt in the q regarding the meaning clarity of the correct sentence.
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if option C is really the answer then i feel that the intended meaning is very awkward . the implied meaning of C is that The academia secretorum naturae was founded with the intention of having a prerequisite for admission,a meaning that does not make any sense !!. institute can have a prerequisite for admission and so this fact should have been presented with a parallelism .also institutes are opened with much broader intentions and not with such narrow intentions as is described in option C
i don't feel good about this question !!
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if option C is really the answer then i feel that the intended meaning is very awkward . the implied meaning of C is that The academia secretorum naturae was founded with the intention of having a prerequisite for admission,a meaning that does not make any sense !!. institute can have a prerequisite for admission and so this fact should have been presented with a parallelism .also institutes are opened with much broader intentions and not with such narrow intentions as is described in option C
i don't feel good about this question !!


B seems an appropriate sentence. Option C alters the meaning of original sentence and doesn't convey who needs to fulfill the prerequisite.
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Option C alters the meaning of original sentence


honestly i really do not believe into the theory of "meaning of original sentence" ,because 80 % of the time option A is wrong !! so there is no reason as why i should preserve the original meaning but yes, as i have said, i find meaning of C awkward
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Option B seems to clear and precise.
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That is my doubt in this question guys...
I marked option (b) as option (c) completely distorted the meaning.
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