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past perfect is (had + past participle) , what past participle is supposed to be used here ?
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can anyone please explain why 'was earning' is correct and had been earning is incorrect. i was confused between a and b.


there is no need to establish time sequencing, so we don't need past perfect continuous in (B)
there might be another problem with (B), the participial giving rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo, it is ambiguous with what it is modifying, either the elephant or barbara wotton....

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I picked B. I feel 'had been' earning is necessary to indicated that it was past, as is indicated by 'earned'.

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I picked B. I feel 'had been' earning is necessary to indicated that it was past, as is indicated by 'earned'.


please explain?
both (A) & (B) indicates that it is in the past with was earning and had been earning

but with using past perfect continuous (B), it indicates that the elephant was earning and continued to earn up to some point in the past, do we really need to establish that time sequence?

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I picked B. I feel 'had been' earning is necessary to indicated that it was past, as is indicated by 'earned'.


please explain?
both (A) & (B) indicates that it is in the past with was earning and had been earning

but with using past perfect continuous (B), it indicates that the elephant was earning and continued to earn up to some point in the past, do we really need to establish that time sequence?



had been earning is the past perfect continuous -> the elephant was earning and continued to earn up to some point in the past

that makes it very clear.
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had been earning is the past perfect continuous -> the elephant was earning and continued to earn up to some point in the past

that makes it very clear.


well i don't disagree with what you say, but OA: A and we can't question the OA. :)

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B since past perfect is required to indicate the flow of events. The event had been occuring till the time the observation was made.

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A-
B-we don't need past perfect--->eliminate
C-"it" is ambiguous (zoo or elephant?) --->eliminate
D and E: we need "that" after report verb of "note" ---> eliminate

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Barbara Wootton once noted as a humurous example of income maldistribution that the elephant

why it's possible to use noted as a ... example ... that the elephant

I always thought that only correct to use noted as a ... example ... the fact that elephant

Please clarify

i.e. ... noted (what?) the fact...
not ... noted (what?) that...

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What are the errors in B? Its between A and B
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What are the errors in B? Its between A and B


The British sociologist and activist Barbara Wootton once noted as a humorous example of income maldistribution that the elephant that gave rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo was earning annually exactly what she then earned as director of adult education for London.


B. that the elephant, giving rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo, had been earning:::
putting a comma before giving rides to children....==>makes it a non essential modifier...but according to meaning BARBARA is comparing his income with income of of ONLY those elephants THAT gave ride to children....and not with other types of elephants income....so use of THAT is necessary to make it essential modifier.

moreover use of HAD BEEN is wrong...PAST PERFECT TENSE IS USED TO DIFFERENTIATE the time difference.
now when BARBARA NOTED......that time elephant was earning Income....so both action was happening same time...hence use of simple past is correct and not past perfec
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A looks the better of the given options
However, I am not fully satisfied with A because "earned" and "was earning" are not parallel here....


I think that there is no problem of parallelism here. Both verbs are in the past, and since the sentence is quoting what she said, then we need the phrase "she then earned", meaning what her salary was at the time she made the comparison.

There is nothing wrong with " was earning" and "earned".

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Thanks for the quick explanations I was aware of the tense error but wanted to know the other errors in B :)
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Hi Mike,

I have doubt in option C in regard to substantive clause.
Could you please clarify on this .

Here in Option C , is the sentence following after "that" a substantive clause?
Is option C wrong because , (comma +and) Structure is separating the substantive clause ?

I think this doubt may sound weird for you , but need your help:)
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We need "that" to start the underline: Wootton noted (the fact) that something is true. Eliminate D and E.

C is passive and separates the two clauses by an "and" when we are actually trying to draw a connection there. Eliminate.

B has a tense problem (had been earning - this should be the simple past like the other verbs in the sentence). In addition, the "giving rides" modifier implies something going on while it's giving rides, but that's not the correct meaning.

The correct meaning is exhibited by A: "the elephant that gave rides" - which elephant? The one that gave rides to kids.

A is correct.

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The British sociologist and activist Barbara Wootton once noted as a humorous example of income maldistribution that the elephant that gave rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo was earning annually exactly what she then earned as director of adult education for London.

A. that the elephant that gave rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo was earning
B. that the elephant, giving rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo, had been earning
C. that there was an elephant giving rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo, and it earned
D. the elephant that gave rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo and was earning
E. the elephant giving rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo and that it earned
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@Carcass: Could you elaborate on your point?

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The British sociologist and activist Barbara Wootton once noted as a humorous example of income maldistribution that the elephant that gave rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo was earning annually exactly what she then earned as director of adult education for London.

A. that the elephant that gave rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo was earning
No errors spotted
B. that the elephant, giving rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo, had been earning
The part in comma pair 'giving rides ..zoo' is necessary to identify the subjects and adds information – It should not be set off with comma.Also giving rides to doesn't seem okay
C. that there was an elephant giving rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo, and it earned
wordy
D. the elephant that gave rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo and was earning
and was earning does not go with noted
E. the elephant giving rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo and that it earned
and that it earned not correct

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The British sociologist and activist Barbara Wootton once noted as a humorous example of income maldistribution that the elephant that gave rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo was earning annually exactly what she then earned as director of adult education for London.

A. that the elephant that gave rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo was earning
B. that the elephant, giving rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo, had been earning
C. that there was an elephant giving rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo, and it earned
D. the elephant that gave rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo and was earning
E. the elephant giving rides to children at the Whipsnade Zoo and that it earned



We need "that" to start the underline: Wootton noted (the fact) that something is true. Eliminate D and E.

C is passive and separates the two clauses by an "and" when we are actually trying to draw a connection there. Eliminate.

B has a tense problem (had been earning - this should be the simple past like the other verbs in the sentence). In addition, the "giving rides" modifier implies something going on while it's giving rides, but that's not the correct meaning.

The correct meaning is exhibited by A: "the elephant that gave rides" - which elephant? The one that gave rides to kids.

A is correct.
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