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The CEO of Burberry, Angela Ahrendts, who has built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product , is influential on fashion industry, has joined Apple as Senior Vice President of Retail and Online Stores.

A. The CEO of Burberry, Angela Ahrendts, who has built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product , is influential on fashion industry, has

B. Angela Ahrendts, who, as CEO of Burberry, has built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product , was not only influential on fashion industry, but also

C. The CEO of Burberry, Angela Ahrendts, building some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product, and influencing fashion industry,

D. Angela Ahrendts, as CEO of Burberry, had built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product, has been influential on fashion industry,

E. Angela Ahrendts, who, as CEO of Burberry, had built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product, and has been influential on fashion industry,


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C - is the only choice that have all S-V as follow

The CEO of Burberry,
(mod. sen before) Angela Aherendts,
(mod. AA) building some incredibly.......,
(mod. retail stores) where......,
(mod. AA - parallel to building) and influencing fashion industry

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mikemcgarry : Hey Mike- I chose the answer E, but can you confirm the usage of WHERE in the options. I remember that where in the gmat can only refer to physical places. Is the usage apt here? Thanks

Dear bkpolymers1617,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, on the GMAT, "where" is appropriate for any physical location. It may be a geographic location (a country, a city, a town, a mountain, a lake, the Moon etc.) or it may be any manmade location (a building, a room in a building, a bridge, a sports arena, etc.). Conceivably, it could even be used for, say, a place on a train or a place on a cruise liner--all of these are still physical places. GMAT SC doesn't typically talk about geometric diagrams, but conceivably, we could even use "where" for a place in such a diagram. In this SC question, the reference is to a brick-and-mortar store, so that's absolutely fine.

What would not be a legitimate use of "where"? Humans use the metaphor of space and spatial relationships to discuss all kinds of abstract arguments.
" . . . the place in the argument where Aristotle said . . . "
" . . . the place in the story where the author revealed . . . "
" . . . the stage of life where a young woman first feels . . . "
" . . . the low point of a recession where leading economic indicators suggest . . . "
All of those are inappropriate, because those are not physical places. They are metaphorical places, and so the GMAT would frown on the use of "where." Similarly, I think I would have to say that we should refer to websites, individual URLs, with "where," because a "place" on the world wide web is not a physical location.

Does all this make sense?
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had+ past participle would be in the past perfect tense ?

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mikemcgarry : Hey Mike- I chose the answer E, but can you confirm the usage of WHERE in the options. I remember that where in the gmat can only refer to physical places. Is the usage apt here? Thanks

Dear bkpolymers1617,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, on the GMAT, "where" is appropriate for any physical location. It may be a geographic location (a country, a city, a town, a mountain, a lake, the Moon etc.) or it may be any manmade location (a building, a room in a building, a bridge, a sports arena, etc.). Conceivably, it could even be used for, say, a place on a train or a place on a cruise liner--all of these are still physical places. GMAT SC doesn't typically talk about geometric diagrams, but conceivably, we could even use "where" for a place in such a diagram. In this SC question, the reference is to a brick-and-mortar store, so that's absolutely fine.

What would not be a legitimate use of "where"? Humans use the metaphor of space and spatial relationships to discuss all kinds of abstract arguments.
" . . . the place in the argument where Aristotle said . . . "
" . . . the place in the story where the author revealed . . . "
" . . . the stage of life where a young woman first feels . . . "
" . . . the low point of a recession where leading economic indicators suggest . . . "
All of those are inappropriate, because those are not physical places. They are metaphorical places, and so the GMAT would frown on the use of "where." Similarly, I think I would have to say that we should refer to websites, individual URLs, with "where," because a "place" on the world wide web is not a physical location.

Does all this make sense?
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As per my knowledge , "has" can be used for any continuing action.
e.g. Mary has cleaned the kitchen.
If the kitchen is still clean, the usage of has is correct.
Similarly, the built retail stores still exist. Why is A wrong? Kindly explain

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The CEO of Burberry, Angela Ahrendts, who has built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product , is influential on fashion industry, has

So, removing the modifier - Angela Ahrendts is influential on fashion industry, has ... : so there is a structural error.

Regarding your specific doubt regarding Verb tense
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As per my knowledge , "has" can be used for any continuing action.
e.g. Mary has cleaned the kitchen.
If the kitchen is still clean, the usage of has is correct.
Similarly, the built retail stores still exist. Why is A wrong? Kindly explain


Yes you are correct, I do not see any problem with "has", if the structure would been correct.

At the same time, I am not much convinced with the verb tense and parallelism in the correct one. Its better to keep "had built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores" parallel with another action "....joined Apple" and keep the influential part as a modifier.


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Dear bkpolymers1617,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, on the GMAT, "where" is appropriate for any physical location. It may be a geographic location (a country, a city, a town, a mountain, a lake, the Moon etc.) or it may be any manmade location (a building, a room in a building, a bridge, a sports arena, etc.). Conceivably, it could even be used for, say, a place on a train or a place on a cruise liner--all of these are still physical places. GMAT SC doesn't typically talk about geometric diagrams, but conceivably, we could even use "where" for a place in such a diagram. In this SC question, the reference is to a brick-and-mortar store, so that's absolutely fine.

What would not be a legitimate use of "where"? Humans use the metaphor of space and spatial relationships to discuss all kinds of abstract arguments.
" . . . the place in the argument where Aristotle said . . . "
" . . . the place in the story where the author revealed . . . "
" . . . the stage of life where a young woman first feels . . . "
" . . . the low point of a recession where leading economic indicators suggest . . . "
All of those are inappropriate, because those are not physical places. They are metaphorical places, and so the GMAT would frown on the use of "where." Similarly, I think I would have to say that we should refer to websites, individual URLs, with "where," because a "place" on the world wide web is not a physical location.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)



Dear mikemcgarry,

Your response is always on demand :-)

The OA is the best among the choices provided above. However, I find the past perfect tense is somehow useless here.

My thoughts:
Someone could interpret that 'building of stores' was prior action to 'joining the company as VP' but I think both maybe independent so past perfect is unjustified. Also, the sequence of tenses of 'had built' and 'has been influential' is strange. I think also that we do not need 'had build'. It could be 'built....... and has been'.

Bottom line: using 'built' is better than 'had built'

I do not know if I'm correct or not. What do you think about the verb tenses used in the OA?

Your insightful critic about the quality of the question at hand is really appreciated.

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had+ past participle would be in the past perfect tense ?

Dear Tan2017,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

Here's the full sentence version of (E), the OA.
Angela Ahrendts, who, as CEO of Burberry, had built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product, and has been influential on fashion industry, joined Apple as Senior Vice President of Retail and Online Stores.
The main verb, the only verb that's not part of the noun modifying clause is "joined," a past tense verb. The suggestion is that, relatively recently, Ms. Ahrendts, who is a real person, "joined Apple" as a big VP. That's the recent past event. BTW, Ms. Ahrendts was ranked 25th most powerful woman in the world o Forbes 2015 list. Pretty cool!

The event before this in time is what Ms. Ahrendts did in her previous job, as "CEO of Burberry." This explains the use of the past perfect.

That's the short answer. See more discussion below.
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Dear mikemcgarry,

Your response is always on demand :-)

The OA is the best among the choices provided above. However, I find the past perfect tense is somehow useless here.

My thoughts:
Someone could interpret that 'building of stores' was prior action to 'joining the company as VP' but I think both maybe independent so past perfect is unjustified. Also, the sequence of tenses of 'had built' and 'has been influential' is strange. I think also that we do not need 'had build'. It could be 'built....... and has been'.

Bottom line: using 'built' is better than 'had built'

I do not know if I'm correct or not. What do you think about the verb tenses used in the OA?

Your insightful critic about the quality of the question at hand is really appreciated.

Thanks

Dear Mo2men,

I'm happy to respond, my friend. :-)

This is a GMAT Club Test. This always makes me suspicious. The Quant on the GC Tests is uniformly superb, because all that has been vetted by the genius Bunuel. The quality of the Verbal questions, though, varies.

Part of the problem here is that the prompt version, (A), is so atrociously wrong that it leaves us guessing a bit. That is not a feature of official questions: official questions are logically tighter.

To some extent, this question is asking us to look beyond the grammar to the meaning. Official questions sometimes do this. Quite simply, would Mr. Ahrendts' activity as the "CEO of Burberry" be essentially simultaneous with joining Apple as a VP? On the one hand, basic marketplace logic tells us that one has to leave one job in order to accept another. On the other hand, I don't know if the official questions would make us lean that heavily on extra-grammatical logic. The official questions don't leave quite so much to deduction.

Again, here's (E):
Angela Ahrendts, who, as CEO of Burberry, had built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product, and has been influential on fashion industry, joined Apple as Senior Vice President of Retail and Online Stores.
"had built" = completed past action in relatively distant past
"has been" = present perfect = begun in the past and continuing to the present
This certainly works. The building of stores happened only when she at her old job. Someone else might still be building those fancy stores, but that would no longer be Ms. Ahrendts activity. Her activity there is definitely done, and as part of her old job, had to proceed accepting her new job. By contrast, it may well be that she is still an influence in the "fashion industry"--an influence that started in the past and continues to the present moment. There's not problem with these two tenses. Two verbs in parallel do NOT have to be in the same tense. See:
GMAT Grammar Rules: Parallelism and Verb Tenses

BTW, the term "sequence of tenses" does not accurately describe this scenario--that's a whole other situation, irrelevant to this sentence. See:
Sequence of Tenses on GMAT Sentence Correction

Overall, I don't think this is the most well designed SC question. I don't know that I have seen any SC questions from the GC tests approach the high standards of the GMAT.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)
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The CEO of Burberry, Angela Ahrendts, who has built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product , is influential on fashion industry, has joined Apple as Senior Vice President of Retail and Online Stores.

A. The CEO of Burberry, Angela Ahrendts, who has built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product , is influential on fashion industry, has

B. Angela Ahrendts, who, as CEO of Burberry, has built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product , was not only influential on fashion industry, but also

C. The CEO of Burberry, Angela Ahrendts, building some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product, and influencing fashion industry,

D. Angela Ahrendts, as CEO of Burberry, had built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product, has been influential on fashion industry,

E. Angela Ahrendts, who, as CEO of Burberry, had built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product, and has been influential on fashion industry,


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Dear mikemcgarry , I choose C here. Would you please elaborate more, what is wrong with C?

"Building" and "Influencing" here seems parallel to me, and they become modifier of Angela Ahrendts.

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I am posting the original sentence again :

The CEO of Burberry, Angela Ahrendts, who has built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product , is influential on fashion industry, has joined Apple as Senior Vice President of Retail and Online Stores.

Now, my question is that does the 'WHO' refer to Angela Ahrendts or to the CEO of Burberry. I do understand that Angela Ahrendts is used as an appositive for the CEO of Burberry but if that 'WHO' refers to Angela Ahrendts then the original sentence just means that she built those incredibly tech-savy retail stores, not necessarily at Burberry (As the CEO of Burberry).
On the contrary if that 'WHO' refers to the CEO of Burberry then it definitely means that Angela Ahrendts built those tech-savy retail stores at Burberry and the OA 'E' would make a lot more sense to me.

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Dear mikemcgarry , I choose C here. Would you please elaborate more, what is wrong with C?

"Building" and "Influencing" here seems parallel to me, and they become modifier of Angela Ahrendts.

Thanks you for your explanation!

Dear septwibowo,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, you can't do GMAT SC just paying attention to grammar. You have to think about the ways that grammar, logic, and rhetoric all come together to produce meaning.

Choice (C) is 100% grammatically correct and it completely distorts the logic. Participles, such as "building" and "influencing," take on the tense of the main verb. Version (C) changes the meaning because it makes it sound as if all the actions happened at the same time.

Does this make sense?
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Hi mikemcgarry,

I am posting the original sentence again :

The CEO of Burberry, Angela Ahrendts, who has built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product , is influential on fashion industry, has joined Apple as Senior Vice President of Retail and Online Stores.

Now, my question is that does the 'WHO' refer to Angela Ahrendts or to the CEO of Burberry. I do understand that Angela Ahrendts is used as an appositive for the CEO of Burberry but if that 'WHO' refers to Angela Ahrendts then the original sentence just means that she built those incredibly tech-savy retail stores, not necessarily at Burberry (As the CEO of Burberry).
On the contrary if that 'WHO' refers to the CEO of Burberry then it definitely means that Angela Ahrendts built those tech-savy retail stores at Burberry and the OA 'E' would make a lot more sense to me.

Thanks Much !!!

Dear pkshankar,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, your question tells me that you don't really understand appositives. See:
GMAT Grammar: Appositive Phrases
An appositive is another way to state the SAME THING. That appositive phrase tells us that "Angela Ahrendts" WAS the "CEO of Burberry." These are NOT two different people. It's one person, and the "who" refers to that single person.

Does this make sense?
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Can someone explain why is the present perfect 'has been' used in (E) considering the fact that 'had built' and 'joined' are both in the past tense. Plus, there is a parallel construction with 'AND' :
...had built..., and has been influential
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Can someone explain why is the present perfect 'has been' used in (E) considering the fact that 'had built' and 'joined' are both in the past tense. Plus, there is a parallel construction with 'AND' :
...had built..., and has been influential
Should it be the same verb tense ?

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Dear mahagmat,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

Verbs in parallel do not have to have the same tense. See:
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Does that make sense?
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(A) The CEO of Burberry, Angela Ahrendts, who has built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product , is influential on fashion industry, has

(B) Angela Ahrendts, who, as CEO of Burberry, has built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product , was not only influential on fashion industry, but also

(C) The CEO of Burberry, Angela Ahrendts, building some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product, and influencing fashion industry,

(D) Angela Ahrendts, as CEO of Burberry, had built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product, has been influential on fashion industry,

(E) Angela Ahrendts, who, as CEO of Burberry, had built some incredibly tech-savvy retail stores, where people can use their smart-phones to learn more about a product, and has been influential on fashion industry,

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OA is E, but I think E is incorrect, for 2 reasons.

1. Simple past must indicate an event that began and ended in the past at a particular time. So if the sentence said: "... joined apple last month"... that would have been correct. Instead the sentence says "joined apple". If we remove all unwanted stuff from the sentence, we will get "The CEO of Burberry joined Apple". This is incorrect!! It should either say "The CEO of Burberry has joined Apple" (present perfect), or "The CEO of Burberry joined Apple last month" (simple past).

2. The sentence uses lots of clauses, and the three events are presented in three different clauses. e.g.

"had built ...." - clause 1
"has been influential ... " - clause 2
"joined apple ... " - clause 3

The OE is trying to link events in clause 1 and 3 to indicate the past perfect-simple past relation. I am not sure if this is correct. Event in clause 1 and clause 3 are not related. Let's take an example:

Ex1: "Ram, who had finished his dinner, went to bed". This is incorrect!
Even if we correct error related to simple past and say...

Ex2: "Ram, who had finished his dinner, went to bed an hour ago". This is still incorrect.

Ex3: Ram, who had finished his dinner by the time I arrived, went to bed an hour ago".
Here, "by the time" is linking two events together (Ram's dinner and my arrival), and hence this example is correct.


IMO, all the 5 answer choices are incorrect.

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