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The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian—vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, and meat rarely.

(A) and meat rarely
(B) and meat was rare
(C) with meat as rare
(D) meat a rarity
(E) with meat as a rarity


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https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1984/07/09/the-original-olympiads

One month before the Games began, the contestants arrived for more training in the several buildings erected for that purpose in the nearby town of Elis. As the Games progressed, trainers grew in importance. They were knowledgeable about such matters as exercise regimens, physiotherapy, and muscle physiology, and some had firm ideas about diet. That of the ordinary Greek in the early days was largely vegetarian—vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, with meat as a rarity. Some trainers later favored a heavy meat diet for their athletes, but one runner won the sprint on a diet of dried figs.

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Hey All,

No one bothered to explain this one on here, so I figured I'd weigh in, since it's a quick one.

The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian—vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, and meat rarely.

Obviously, this is a parallelism issue. Every list needs to have "and" at the end. You can't use "and" twice, unless the second to last item in the list is a compound. For example: "I like all kinds of sandwiches: reuben, turkey, pastrami, peanut butter and jelly, and veggie." But in that case, there are two nouns in that second to last entry (peanut butter and jelly). We don't have that here, so there's no justification for having two "and"s.

(A) and meat rarely
PROBLEM: No and allowed.

(B) and meat was rare
PROBLEM: Again.

(C) with meat as rare
PROBLEM: You can't just say "meat as rare". As sets up either a comparison ("meat as rare as an uncooked log.") or some type of prepositional phrase ("meat as metaphor for life...").

(D) meat a rarity
PROBLEM: We need some segue from the last item in the list.

(E) with meat as a rarity
ANSWER: We get the prepositional phrase. It's a bit odd, since it's modifying something that came a long time ago, but it's still the best choice.

Hope that helps!

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Hello mikemcgarry,

Good day to you!

Please throw some light on my below doubt.

In the given sentence, "The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian—vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, and meat rarely", I understand that we have a "—" that is used to provide the list of items. Since there is no second "—" in the sentence it means that all the items mentioned after "—" are part of the list. So shouldn't we use a noun after the last "and" (highlighted) because all the items are a noun.

Why is the usage of prepositional phrase — with meat as a rarity — correct here?

Please elucidate.

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Good day to you, my friend! I'm happy to respond. :-)

This is another truly brilliant SC problem from the official GMAT. Like many more difficult questions, this one is designed to frustrate simply mechanical thinking. Language is not mathematics, and patterns in language that usually apply often can change in exceptional circumstances for logical or rhetorical purposes. If you are too attached to a tight literal understanding of the rules, you will be befuddled by one hard SC questions after another.

It's perfectly true one use of the em-dash is to set off a list of examples. It's perfectly true that, under ordinary condition, a list is just a collection of nouns in parallel, so the last element would be a noun. That's often the case, but not always. Sometimes, logic requires that we add some kind of comment at the end of a list--its source, its reputed veracity, or a notable exception.
Some religions recounts cases of humans who did not undergo physical death--Enoch and Elijah, according to the Hebrew Bible.
Some political parties claim objective qualities for their views--fair and balanced, as FOX News purports.

This is the way the preposition "with meat as a rarity" is used--an exception that clarifies the nature of the list.

Does this make sense?
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The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian—vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, and meat rarely.

(A) and meat rarely -- hold
(B) and meat was rare -- sound as if meat was scarce,eliminate
(C) with meat as rare -- sounds like an open-end comparison as rare..,eliminate
(D) meat a rarity -- just weird,a stand alone after comma but not in the list
(E) with meat as a rarity -- with rarely meat may be better to my ear.As a rarity sounds as if meat=rarity ?!


Hi sayantanc2k and all,
IMHO,option A could read
The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian—vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, and the diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was meat rarely.
The last "and" is the conjunction here.Is my reasoning flawed?

Again,I accept that the correct choice is E,but more elaboration would be appreciate especially for how ",with meat as a rarity" is proper placed in the context and how my reasoning flaw.
Thanks :-D :-D


Your reasoning would be appropriate if there were another dash (instead of comma) after "meal cakes" to separate out the list of vegetarian diet - there would then be no ambiguity in the usage of the second "and". Moreover, ideally "rarely" should be preceding "meat" (largely vegetarian and rarely meat) - nonetheless there would still be a parallelism issue between "vegetarian" and "meat" - the first one is an adjective whereas the latter a noun.

The modifier "with meat as a rarity" is somewhat awkward, but this modifier can be considered an adverbial modifier rather than a noun modifier, and hence the placement is flexible.
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Also since there is a - in the sentence that is used to provide lists, shouldn't noun bee used in the last item



The crux of the matter is that we tend to think that it is just one list. No, Vasuka, there are actually two lists namely 1. A largely vegetarian list that contains four items such as —vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, and 2. a single-item non-vegetarian list that is meat. As far as the first list is concerned, I do not think there is any issue about parallelism. In addition, the second list must be connected to the previous list either with a coordinate conjunction such as 'and' or with a prepositional modifier such as 'with'. However, using fanboys would be wrong because, the non- vegetarian item was a scarcely used less important diet. In addition, a prepositional modifier such as 'with' will be more suitable to indicate that the second list is not a parallel item to the first list, but indeed is just an auxiliary.

That is why we can justify the use of the prepositional modifier 'with' in this given case.
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there is no need for any explanation after Tommy`s, doing it just for myself :)


E

there are three points in a row. before the last one we can see the conjunction "and". So all options with another "and" are out.
rarity is much better than rare when you are trying to describe a noun.
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Dear honchos,

My friend, I am happy to respond. :-) Before I respond, I will give you a little more feedback. I do this, not to make you feel bad, but to support your growth and learning. I share feedback with you precisely because I respect you as an intelligent member of this forum and want to support your success in every way.

The first point is a subtle punctuation issue. There is an important difference between the hyphen and the em-dash. The hyphen is a symbol that only appears in the middle of words, gluing two parts together in an hyphenated word:
well-being
able-bodied
broad-minded
mind-boggling
father-in-law

The hyphen is an ordinary keyboard symbol, just to the right of zero on a standard keyboard, and it is a symbol supported by the rtf of this forum. By contrast, the dash or em-dash is a punctuation symbol used to organize the flow of a sentence. In many ways, its use overlaps with the use of the colon. This SC sentence from the OG10 has a em-dash. Unfortunately, the em-dash is not a standard keyboard and there is no way to type a proper em-dash in the rtf of this forum. There is another dash, the en-dash, that is used for dates and ranges of values. They have three different sizes.
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The important point is that it is very confusing and misleading to type an em-dash as a hyphen. You typed:
...was largely vegetarian-vegetables, fresh cheese, ...
That makes it look as if you are creating a nonsense hyphenated word, "vegetarian-vegetables." The logic of the sentence requires an em-dash. There is no universally agreed-upon convention for how to type an em-dash in plain text, but I normally use three hyphens (because the em-dash is wider than the en-dash which is wider than the hyphen). This would be:
... was largely vegetarian---vegetables, fresh cheese, ...
I changed the original post to this for clarity. You may choose to follow this convention, but please do not type your em-dashes as hyphens.

The second point concerns discussing individual words. Toward the end of your post, you wrote:
1. What is the importance of as here.
2. what is the importance of with here.

Do you see how confusing this is? When you are addressing individual words, you need put those words in quotes: otherwise, it is terribly confusing for anyone trying to figure out what you are saying. These should be:
1. What is the importance of "as" here?
2. What is the importance of "with" here?

That is considerably clearer. As you may notice below, I use both quote marks and color to talk about an individual word. Please follow this convention, so that you don't create unnecessary difficulty for the person whose help you are soliciting. My friend, I realize that none of this is intended as disrespect. I realize you are learning, and that is perfectly fine. We are all always learning. :-)

Finally, a minor point about my name. My name is Mike McGarry, not MikeGarry, as you have typed. As you go on in life, to business school, in the business world, etc., remember that one of the best ways to show someone respect is to show that you remember their name and that you know their correct name. Getting someone's name correct is always a sign of respect. Again, I am fully aware that you did not intend any disrespect, my friend. :-)

Now, to your questions about this SC problem. This is SC #104 in the OG10. You are correct that (A) & (B) violate parallelism and can be rejected immediately. I think it was very insightful that you looked at the sentences after the list in parallel had been dropped:
(C) The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian, with meat as rare
(D) The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian, meat a rarity
(E) The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian, with meat as a rarity

You are 100% correct: the OA should word as a full sentence with that list omitted.

From here, I will say, (D) is odd, because we just have a comma and then a noun with no connecting word. We can have a noun with no connecting word in an appositive phrase, modifying another noun, but that is not the structure here. Here, we just have an odd noun with no connector, and it is 100% grammatically incorrect. Choice (D) is wrong.

When we insert a preposition such a the word "with," that turns the free-standing noun into a phrase that can grammatically connect to the rest of the sentence. Choices (C) & (E) have this correct.

At this point, it's purely an idiom question. The structure
"with X as rare"
sounds awkward and unnatural. This is idiomatically incorrect. The correct idiom is:
"with X as a rarity."
In general, we use "as" + [adjective] only in a comparative structure, e.g.;
Meat was as rare as mangoes.
They ate little meat, but cheese was not as rare.

There's not really a correct structure for "as" + [adjective] apart from comparisons. By contrast, the structure "as" + [noun] has a few uses, among which is showing that something plays a certain role. The structure
"with meat as rare"
leave us wondering "as rare as what??" It leave us expecting a comparison that never happens. That's the problem with (C). The OA has the structure:
"with meat as a rarity."
In other words, meat is playing the role of a "rarity," or occupying the position of a "rarity." This is idiomatically correct and it reflects the meaning that the sentence is trying to convey. Choice (E) is flawless, a very strong OA.

Does all this make sense?
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Hi AjiteshArun,

Then, going back to the question of this post, what would be the problem with b)?

The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times (1) was largely vegetarian—vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, and (2) meat was rare.

Is it only because the comma? Otherwise would be a correct option?

Thanks for your help!
Meat was rare is a clause. This means that (1) should not be was largely vegetarian, which is just a verb phrase. Instead, (1) would have to be the whole thing: the diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian. That's not a problem though.

The problem with B is that it is ambiguous. For example, it could mean that meat was scarce (rare). The official explanation went for this meaning of rare.
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Is it only because the comma? Otherwise would be a correct option?
I went through the thread and read the posts that say that two ands cannot be used together. I can now see where you are coming from on this.

I don't agree with those posts. The comma is not a problem, and two ands should be fine, in the sense that they are possible in those positions.

The first option ends up saying:
The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was (1) largely vegetarian... and (2) meat rarely.
Here the second item in the list does link to the diet (the diet was X and Y), but the structure it leads to is unidiomatic (the diet was meat rarely).

The second option ends up saying:
(1) The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian... and (2) meat was rare.
Here the second item in the list is not clearly linked to the first, because it is a separate clause. That makes it sound as if the second item in the list is not continuing the thought introduced by the first.

The diet was veg and meat was rare.

This sounds as if we giving the reader two separate facts.
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Hey Ykaiim,

"Or" is another parallelism marker. But for what it's worth, "or" sets up alternatives, not a list, per se. But yes, if you want to discuss alternatives, then "or" must come before the final term in the parallel structure.

Thanks for making sure that got mentioned!

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The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian---vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, and meat rarely

(A) and meat rarely
(B) and meat was rare
(C) with meat as rare
(D) meat a rarity
(E) with meat as a rarity


I Hope I have not committed any mistake in posting this question. If Something happens I do not do it deliberately.

My Question,

I could easily chuck down option A and B as they do not represents a correct ||'sm list.
What I personally feel is this that the contrast word was needed to present this information "meat rarely"

If we remove the Fluff from the sentence -
The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian[-vegetables fresh cheese,oatmeal,and meal cakes], and meat rarely.

In the above part the red part is a fluff. The sentence w/o Fluff will be -
The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian, and meat rarely.

If you look at the concept of ||'sm the sentence after and should be a full clause. So A and B can be eliminated.

(C) The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian,with meat as rare
(D) The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian,meat a rarity
(E) The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian,with meat as a rarity

Sir,

Can you help me to dive more deeper into C, D and E.

1. What is the importance of as here.
2. what is the importance of with here.
3. rare vs rarity.

Thank you so much.

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I was not able to apply your "two ands" logic in this similar question: https://gmatclub.com/forum/as-criminal- ... 20239.html

Is there any particular reason?

Thanks in advance!
I'm not sure what the "two ands logic" is, but here is how you can read the lists in the question you linked to:

They can also (1) pilfer valuable information such as (a) business development strategies, (b) new product specifications, and (c) contract bidding plans, and (2) sell the data to competitors.
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Hi AjiteshArun,

Then, going back to the question of this post, what would be the problem with b)?

The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times (1) was largely vegetarian—vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, and (2) meat was rare.

Is it only because the comma? Otherwise would be a correct option?

Thanks for your help!
Meat was rare is a clause. This means that (1) should not be was largely vegetarian, which is just a verb phrase. Instead, (1) would have to be the whole thing: the diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian. That's not a problem though.

The problem with B is that it is ambiguous. For example, it could mean that meat was scarce (rare). The official explanation went for this meaning of rare.


I wrote the same explanation but deleted immediately, thinking that I may be wrong. :)
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serhio,

This is not my question. Please read carefully what I have asked Tommy.


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E

there are three points in a row. before the last one we can see the conjunction "and". So all options with another "and" are out.
rarity is much better than rare when you are trying to describe a noun.
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The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian—vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, and meat rarely.

(A) and meat rarely -- hold
(B) and meat was rare -- sound as if meat was scarce,eliminate
(C) with meat as rare -- sounds like an open-end comparison as rare..,eliminate
(D) meat a rarity -- just weird,a stand alone after comma but not in the list
(E) with meat as a rarity -- with rarely meat may be better to my ear.As a rarity sounds as if meat=rarity ?!


Hi sayantanc2k and all,
IMHO,option A could read
The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian—vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, and the diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was meat rarely.
The last "and" is the conjunction here.Is my reasoning flawed?

Again,I accept that the correct choice is E,but more elaboration would be appreciate especially for how ",with meat as a rarity" is proper placed in the context and how my reasoning flaw.
Thanks :-D :-D
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Question No.: SC 104
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The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian—vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, and meat rarely.

(A) and meat rarely
(B) and meat was rare
(C) with meat as rare
(D) meat a rarity
(E) with meat as a rarity


Hello mikemcgarry,

Good day to you!

Please throw some light on my below doubt.

In the given sentence, "The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian—vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, and meat rarely", I understand that we have a "—" that is used to provide the list of items. Since there is no second "—" in the sentence it means that all the items mentioned after "—" are part of the list. So shouldn't we use a noun after the last "and" (highlighted) because all the items are a noun.

Why is the usage of prepositional phrase — with meat as a rarity — correct here?

Please elucidate.

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gmatexam439 wrote:
Hello mikemcgarry,

Good day to you!

Please throw some light on my below doubt.

In the given sentence, "The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian—vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, and meat rarely", I understand that we have a "—" that is used to provide the list of items. Since there is no second "—" in the sentence it means that all the items mentioned after "—" are part of the list. So shouldn't we use a noun after the last "and" (highlighted) because all the items are a noun.

Why is the usage of prepositional phrase — with meat as a rarity — correct here?

Please elucidate.

Regards

Dear gmatexam439,

Good day to you, my friend! I'm happy to respond. :-)

This is another truly brilliant SC problem from the official GMAT. Like many more difficult questions, this one is designed to frustrate simply mechanical thinking. Language is not mathematics, and patterns in language that usually apply often can change in exceptional circumstances for logical or rhetorical purposes. If you are too attached to a tight literal understanding of the rules, you will be befuddled by one hard SC questions after another.

It's perfectly true one use of the em-dash is to set off a list of examples. It's perfectly true that, under ordinary condition, a list is just a collection of nouns in parallel, so the last element would be a noun. That's often the case, but not always. Sometimes, logic requires that we add some kind of comment at the end of a list--its source, its reputed veracity, or a notable exception.
Some religions recounts cases of humans who did not undergo physical death--Enoch and Elijah, according to the Hebrew Bible.
Some political parties claim objective qualities for their views--fair and balanced, as FOX News purports.

This is the way the preposition "with meat as a rarity" is used--an exception that clarifies the nature of the list.

Does this make sense?
Mike :-)


As always, thank you Mike. I had chosen the correct answer but wanted to know the technical breakdown.

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A and B can be immediately discarded, since a list can’t have two ands. C can also be discarded, quite obviously. “with meant as rare” doesn’t make any sense, an adjective is being treated like a noun. D is just as wrong. There needs to be a connecting phrase after the last item on the list. So, by PoE, we can tell that E is actually the correct option.
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New post 16 Mar 2019, 14:42
TommyWallach wrote:

Obviously, this is a parallelism issue. Every list needs to have "and" at the end. You can't use "and" twice, unless the second to last item in the list is a compound. For example: "I like all kinds of sandwiches: reuben, turkey, pastrami, peanut butter and jelly, and veggie." But in that case, there are two nouns in that second to last entry (peanut butter and jelly). We don't have that here, so there's no justification for having two "and"s.



HiTommyWallach

I was not able to apply your "two ands" logic in this similar question: https://gmatclub.com/forum/as-criminal- ... 20239.html

Is there any particular reason?

Thanks in advance!
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New post 17 Mar 2019, 05:00
AjiteshArun wrote:
BunuelWannabe wrote:
Hi[[/b][/url]

I was not able to apply your "two ands" logic in this similar question: https://gmatclub.com/forum/as-criminal- ... 20239.html

Is there any particular reason?

Thanks in advance!
I'm not sure what the "two ands logic" is, but here is how you can read the lists in the question you linked to:

They can also (1) pilfer valuable information such as (a) business development strategies, (b) new product specifications, and (c) contract bidding plans, and (2) sell the data to competitors.


Hi AjiteshArun,

Then, going back to the question of this post, what would be the problem with b)?

The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times (1) was largely vegetarian—vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, and (2) meat was rare.

Is it only because the comma? Otherwise would be a correct option?

Thanks for your help!
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