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# The Emperor Augustus, it appears, commissioned an idealized

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26 Jul 2011, 09:57
While limiting myself to why C is not correct

I have no reason to doubt the ‘they’ has no referent. It does have. i.e. ‘features’; so C can not be faulted on that count. The problem is more with the tense

The first part of the sub clause introduced by which, has ‘are’ as its verb, a simple present, while the second part introduced by ‘that’ has ‘have constituted’ as its verb, a present perfect, which in my opinion is structurally unparallel. Second, logically when we pronounce something as ‘has/have constituted’ we intend to mean that something has been started in the past, it has continued until the present and plausibly may continue for some more time, but can not say whether it will continue for a long time. But the text seeks to say that the features will continue to be unrealistic for quite some time to come, and hence the proper verb to describe such a phenomenon should be a present tense. Hence ‘they have constituted’ in C is the culprit
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27 Jul 2011, 06:57
A. idiom "so x as to Y" is correct idiom
C. idiom "so x that y" is correct idiom too. Bat here x and y should be parallel. But "so unrealistic that they have constituted" not ||

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28 May 2012, 13:51
They does not have clear antecedent I guess!
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08 Sep 2013, 08:41
Can someone elaborate on this problem by first clarifying the meaning?

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10 Sep 2013, 03:51
The Emperor Augustus, it appears, commissioned an idealized sculptured portrait, the features of which are so unrealistic as to constitute what one scholar calls an “artificial face.”
(A) so unrealistic as to constitute
CORRECT

(B) so unrealistic they constituted
- What is the antecedent for "THEY". There is none. Pronoun can't stand on its own without its antecedent. Correct structure is either "So X that Y" or "So X as to Y". But in this option THAT or AS TO is missing. Thus Incorrect

(C) so unrealistic that they have constituted
- What is the antecedent for "THEY". There is none. Pronoun can't stand on its own without its antecedent. Thus Incorrect

(D) unrealistic enough so that they constitute
- What is the antecedent for "THEY". There is none. Pronoun can't stand on its own without its antecedent. In this option use of "SO THAT" indicates PURPOSE, but author does not want to convey PURPOSE. Thus Incorrect

(E) unrealistic enough so as to constitute
In this option use of "SO THAT" indicates PURPOSE, but author does not want to convey PURPOSE. Thus Incorrect

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18 Sep 2013, 10:14
Actually, in gmat, we donot use 'enough' frequently, then, the answer should be the correct one.
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19 Sep 2013, 06:01
Hi Guys,

Let me see if I can help.

The issue with C is not Idiom, it is tense.

Here is all of C, with issue highlighted.

The Emperor Augustus, it appears, commissioned an idealized sculptured portrait, the features of which are so unrealistic that they have constituted what one scholar calls an “artificial face.”

As you can see, the 'have constituted' does not sit well with the 'commisioned'. It implies that the 'constituted' happened before the 'commision'. This is obviously nonsense, the 'constitute' must have followed the 'commision'

Does that help?

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19 Sep 2013, 07:40
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Hi Guys,

Let me see if I can help.

The issue with C is not Idiom, it is tense.

Here is all of C, with issue highlighted.

The Emperor Augustus, it appears, commissioned an idealized sculptured portrait, the features of which are so unrealistic that they have constituted what one scholar calls an “artificial face.”

As you can see, the 'have constituted' does not sit well with the 'commisioned'. It implies that the 'constituted' happened before the 'commision'. This is obviously nonsense, the 'constitute' must have followed the 'commision'

Does that help?

James

Hi James,
Well since I am a non native, I am not so sure but what I have learnt till now is that if we have 2 things that happened in the past then we use "had" i.e. past perfect tense rather than present perfect tense.

We use present perfect tense when we have something that happened in the past and has an effect in the present and that when no time is mentioned. And that one need not happen before the other.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
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03 Oct 2013, 00:32
A.So X as Y- correct idiom use. it appears is parallel with constitute
B. So X they - incorrect idiom. Tense issue- constituted should be constitute.
C. So X that Y - correct idiom use. Tense issue- they have constituted should be constitute.
D&E. Both are awkward and unidiomatic.
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17 Apr 2015, 00:42
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The Emperor Augustus, it appears, commissioned an idealized sculptured portrait, the features of which are so unrealistic as to constitute what one scholar calls an “artificial face.”
(A) so unrealistic as to constitute
(B) so unrealistic they constituted
(C) so unrealistic that they have constituted
(D) unrealistic enough so that they constitute
(E) unrealistic enough so as to constitute

i can make out "so..as to" usage but but still dont have reason to eliminate (B) and (C) ,friends illuminate ,thanks

They is referring to whom in the options B, C and D ??
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14 Aug 2015, 21:46
The word 'are' and 'calls' shows that the sentence is in present tense. Therefore option (B) & (C) are straight away ruled out for having the word 'constituted' in the end.
Option (D) "unrealistic enough so that the constitute" has the wrong idiom (correct idiom is (Adjective) enough that)
Option (E) "unrealistic enough so as to constitute" has the wrong idiom (correct idiom is (Adjective) enough that)

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14 Aug 2015, 21:49
The word 'are' and 'calls' shows that the sentence is in present tense. Therefore option (B) & (C) are straight away ruled out for having the word 'constituted' in the end.
Option (D) "unrealistic enough so that the constitute" has the wrong idiom (correct idiom is (Adjective) enough that)
Option (E) "unrealistic enough so as to constitute" has the wrong idiom (correct idiom is (Adjective) enough that)

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25 Jan 2017, 01:21
Ayrish wrote:
SensibleGuy wrote:
Rule 1 - "So as" together is almost always never correct. The correct form is "So + adjective + as to + verb".
Rule 2 - If nothing seems wrong with the question, don't even bother for a better sentence among the answer options. Only if there seems like a mistake, go ahead and consider a better way of saying that part of the sentence.

My answer should be A. What is the OA?

Hi Barni, do you want to give five?
I totally agree with you according your 1st rule, however, 2nd one is weak.
Ok Let do the following,

The Emperor Augustus, it appears, commissioned an idealized sculptured portrait, the features of which are so unrealistic that they have constituted what one scholar calls an “artificial face.”

(A) so unrealistic that they have constituted
(B) so unrealistic they constituted
(C) so unrealistic as to constitute
(D) unrealistic enough so that they constitute
(E) unrealistic enough so as to constitute

Which one is right? and whatis wrong with A?

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Then i option A is wrong. the only incident of "they" in option A is features and iswrong.
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18 Feb 2017, 23:22
I am very much confused about option E being wrong.In fact option A and E both seem correct to me."so as to" can be used even if the actors in the main caluse and subordinate clauses are different.
may be this blog my Mike M???Garry could help.
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The Emperor Augustus, it appears, commissioned an idealized sculptured portrait, the features of which are so unrealistic as to constitute what one scholar calls an “artificial face.”

Logical meaning: The features of the portrait are so unrealistic that they appear to constitute an "artificial face" as per one scholar.

(A) so unrealistic as to constitute

(B) so unrealistic they constituted If the verb used for the scholar is 'calls' then the appropriate verb form in the underlined portion should be 'constitute'. The parts also are disconnected without a 'that'

(C) so unrealistic that they have constituted The use of present perfect is unnecessary.

(D) unrealistic enough so that they constitute The option suggests a purpose. The features were intentionally made unrealistic so that they constitute an artificial face. The option instills a sense of purpose and that goes against the logical meaning.

(E) unrealistic enough so as to constitute This option brings in the idea that there's some criterion to be met for the features to be unrealistic and once they do they qualify to constitute an artificial face. This is not what the logical meaning of the sentence is.

Thus, option A.
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19 Feb 2017, 03:39
C uses present perfect tense. this makes the choice incorrect.
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19 Feb 2017, 07:21
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I am very much confused about option E being wrong.In fact option A and E both seem correct to me."so as to" can be used even if the actors in the main caluse and subordinate clauses are different.
may be this blog my Mike M???Garry could help.

Your query has been well explained by subrataroy0210 in the above post - closing this request.
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20 Feb 2017, 00:32
A

So Adjective as to verb : Idiomatic usage.
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