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The Federalist papers is a compilation of articles written by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, as well as a few by John Jay, since each of them were advocates of the Constitution.

(A) since each of them were
(B) since they were each
(C) since all of them were
(D) each of which was
(E) because all of the men were

Please explain your answers.


E for me, takes 30 seconds.
Might be untraditional, but in GMAT, because is preferred over since. We know that D is wrong because of the "was".

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eyunni wrote:
The Federalist papers is a compilation of articles written by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, as well as a few by John Jay, since each of them were advocates of the Constitution.

(A) since each of them were
(B) since they were each
(C) since all of them were
(D) each of which was
(E) because all of the men were

Please explain your answers.


In my opinion, it should be E for the following reasons:

1: because is preferred over since.
2: this is cause and effect: x is y because of z.
3: men clearly refers to Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay. so no ambiguity here. if we take B or C, clearly they and them are ambigious.

What is the source?


I think we need both(not all) to refer to two person. All is used for 3 or more things.
There are only two person here( John Jay is referenced in as well as clause so it can not be conjugated ii) he is mentioned in non-essential clause).


good point: for your reason, "all" is required to refer all three people. since we need to refer three people, that why all is more appropariate.

That further makes E more resonable.

thanks.


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I was saying opposite of what you thought.

Again..
I think we need both(not all) to refer to two person. All is used for 3 or more things.
There are only two person here( John Jay is referenced in as well as clause so it can not be conjugated ii) he is mentioned in non-essential clause).


I know what you are/were saying that gave me further clue why it is E. thanks again.

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eyunni wrote:
The Federalist papers is a compilation of articles written by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, as well as a few by John Jay, since each of them were advocates of the Constitution.

(A) since each of them were
(B) since they were each
(C) since all of them were
(D) each of which was
(E) because all of the men were

Please explain your answers.


This must be an old edition of MGMAT SC b/c I don't have this.

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This is from the Manhattan Review Sentence Correction Guide.

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The Federalist papers is a compilation of articles written by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, as well as a few by John Jay, since each of them were advocates of the Constitution.

(A) since each of them were
(B) since they were each
(C) since all of them were
(D) each of which was
(E) because all of the men were

Between C & E
My Answer : C just because its simpler than E :D

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eyunni wrote:
The Federalist papers is a compilation of articles written by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, as well as a few by John Jay, since each of them were advocates of the Constitution.

(A) since each of them were
(B) since they were each
(C) since all of them were
(D) each of which was
(E) because all of the men were

Please explain your answers.


I was for C but after reading what others have been writing I am torn between C and E.

I know from the SC Usage - because > since > being. This makes choice E look good. But still not a 100% sure.

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The Federalist papers is a compilation of articles written by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, as well as a few by John Jay, since each of them were advocates of the Constitution.

(A) since each of them were
(B) since they were each
(C) since all of them were
(D) each of which was
(E) because all of the men were

Please explain your answers.


When each is the subject of a sentence it is singular. However, ADVOCATES is plural. So we will have to use a combination such that THEY becomes the subject to correspond to advocates. If we use they were each then this problem is resolved.

B stands.


If (B) has to be true, I think the sentence should go like this: "........since they were each an advocate of the Constitution."

Correct me if I am wrong.


I correct myself. In the supposedly incorrect choice (B), even if 'each' is singular, the grammar rule is that 'they' is plural and overrides the singular mode of 'each'. Therefore, it is correct to say something like: they were each 'advocates' of the Constitution.[/i][/u][/b]

However, I am positive that (E) is the right answer. As all of you know, 'since' is generally used to refer to a point in past time. (However, here 'since' is used as a substitute for 'because'.)

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eyunni wrote:
eyunni wrote:
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eyunni wrote:
The Federalist papers is a compilation of articles written by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, as well as a few by John Jay, since each of them were advocates of the Constitution.

(A) since each of them were
(B) since they were each
(C) since all of them were
(D) each of which was
(E) because all of the men were

Please explain your answers.


When each is the subject of a sentence it is singular. However, ADVOCATES is plural. So we will have to use a combination such that THEY becomes the subject to correspond to advocates. If we use they were each then this problem is resolved.

B stands.


If (B) has to be true, I think the sentence should go like this: "........since they were each an advocate of the Constitution."

Correct me if I am wrong.


I correct myself. In the supposedly incorrect choice (B), even if 'each' is singular, the grammar rule is that 'they' is plural and overrides the singular mode of 'each'. Therefore, it is correct to say something like: they were each 'advocates' of the Constitution.[/i][/u][/b]

However, I am positive that (E) is the right answer. As all of you know, 'since' is generally used to refer to a point in past time. (However, here 'since' is used as a substitute for 'because'.)



"each" in B is playing a role of adjective.....

You can have a look at :

http://www.gmatclub.com/forum/t27442

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a) since each of them were
Wrong. Each of them was not were.

b) since they were each
Wrong. each will be advocate of constitution not advocates.

c) since all of them were
"them" is not clear.

d) each of which was
each will be advocate of constitution not advocates.

e) because all of the men were
Seems OK.

IMO E.

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B.

Each usage requires plural..so "were" is needed

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Hey Abhijeet +1 fell for the "them" trap, thanks for clarifying.

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"Each" is always singular.

sterny wrote:
B.

Each usage requires plural..so "were" is needed

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jallenmorris wrote:
"Each" is always singular.

sterny wrote:
B.

Each usage requires plural..so "were" is needed


Thats not true.

Each of them IS - singular
They each ARE - plural

The question is, in B, what exactly is the issue? I do not think the usage of each is wrong in B at all.."They were each.." = "They each were.."

IMO, the problem in B is the use of the word they which could mean both the documents and the people.

What do you think?

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I also think the sentence may have underlining issues.

For example if I select B..my sentence would be "since they were each were..." - which does not make sense

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sterny wrote:
Thats not true.

Each of them IS - singular
They each ARE - plural

The question is, in B, what exactly is the issue? I do not think the usage of each is wrong in B at all.."They were each.." = "They each were.."

IMO, the problem in B is the use of the word they which could mean both the documents and the people.



What do you think?


"each" in your second sentence is not operating as the subject. It's an adjective. We are basing the use of "are" or "is" on "they", not on "each". We're using "each" to modify "they". When used as an adjective, I "each" is still singular, but the word it modifies is plural.

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I just found this:

http://www.learnersdictionary.com/langh ... e.htm#each

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Each presents several problems of agreement with verbs and pronouns. When the pronoun each is the subject, it normally takes a singular verb ("Each is unique"). When the adjective each modifies a singular noun subject, the singular verb is used ("Each car is equipped with radar"). Each of is followed by a plural noun or pronoun ("Each of the kittens was given to a different family," "Each of us asked one question"). When the adjective each follows a plural noun subject, a plural verb and plural pronoun commonly follow ("We each have our own concerns"). Each often takes a plural pronoun in reference, sometimes to avoid saying "his or her" ("Each person in the line had to show their ticket").

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E was my first instinct but C pulls me each time I look at this.
I think we need expert intervention on this one. Someone needs to come out with a verdict.

I have another question: Why do we prefer 'because' over 'since'? Is it some kind of an idiom rule?

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I have attended this question two times but both the times I have answered wrongly.

My error is related to idiom.

Step 1:"The Federalists Papers" is plural so, I have eliminated option (A).
Step 2: I have eliminated option (B) and (D) because there is no "and" in the options. I thought "and" is required to join two modifier clauses.
Step 3: I have eliminated option (C) because it will end up forming a sentence only with subordinate clause. There will be no main clause.
Step 3: I chose option (E), which is a wrong answer.

My Error: I failed to realize that "as well as" can also join modifier clauses like "and" does.

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C IMV. Nonetheless, a disputed SC. Should be removed to avoid further confusion.

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I go for C

It's pretty clear because the compilation of articles is a group. So, 'all of them' correctly refers to the three men in the previous clause.
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