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# The fifties, for all their advertised conformity, now appear

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The fifties, for all their advertised conformity, now appear to have been a time of considerable achievement in the arts.

(A) for all their advertised conformity, now appear to have been
(B) despite all their advertised conformity, now appears to be
(C) for all their advertised conformity, now appear that they were
(D) despite all their advertised conformity, now appears as
(E) with all their advertised conformity, now appears

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01 Apr 2009, 18:53
patedhav wrote:
nitya34 wrote:
The fifties, for all their advertised conformity, now appear to have been a time of considerable achievement in arts.

(A) for all their advertised conformity, now appear to have been "appear" - it requires singular
(B) despite all their advertised conformity, now appears that they were "appear" - despite needs "negative sentence"
(C) despite all its advertised conformity, now appears as (same reason as 2)
(D) despite all their advertised conformity, not appears to have been (It is correct singular and negative statement after despite).
(E) with all their advertised conformity, now appear

IMO D).

Can you confirm Nitya? Please post OA.

With your line of reasoning D has theirs which is incorrect.

I feel A as it is giving intended meaning. Despite introduces contrast which is not needed. I feel for used here is correct and I will choose over E
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19 Apr 2010, 08:21
"that they were" in 'C' sounds more wordy than "to have been".... I find A to be a better option...
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19 Apr 2010, 17:33
I chose E, now I clearly see it's A, because of the verb conjugation. The use of "for all" instead of "despite" is not an issue
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19 Apr 2010, 23:28
I chose option A.B/w A & C,I found C to be wordy and so I chose option A.
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The fifties, for all their advertised conformity, now appear to have been a time of considerable achievement in the arts.

(A) for all their advertised conformity, now appear to have been
(B) despite all their advertised conformity, now appear to be
(C) for all their advertised conformity, now appear that they were
(D) despite all their advertised conformity, now appears as
(E) with all advertised conformity, now appears

Some thoughts:

Use of fifties:
See the following sentences from google:
Before the Pill, before mass immigration and long before globalization, the Fifties were a time of relative innocence.
=> Fifties were=> Fifties is a plural noun when it means number of years.
On one hand, the Fifties were ten years of conformity, of fitting in, of mass consumerism, growing corporate power and reflexive patriotism
=> Again, fifties were.

Conclusion: "Fifties" is a plural noun.

DESPITE:
Despite is used to express contrast. Example:
Despite the rough weather, she came on time.
=> So, the use of despite is incorrect in the given sentence. It changes the meaning of the sentence.

"They were a time" is redundant in C.

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13 Sep 2010, 03:51
this sentence is structured as:
In time ...., "because" of sth, now appears sth.

B and D are out: Despite distorts the meaning and structure od sentence.
E just conveys some info and not a reason to replace "because"
C : "they" refers to ? (no reference for they)

hence A seems correct
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21 Apr 2011, 05:19
I would go with (A)

The fifties, for all their advertised conformity, now appear to have been a time of considerable achievement in the arts.

(A) for all their advertised conformity, now appear to have been
(B) despite all their advertised conformity, now appear to be {despite is mainly used when we want to convey that we overcame some obstruction}
(C) for all their advertised conformity, now appear that they were
(D) despite all their advertised conformity, now appears as {fifties is plural, so appears is wrong}
(E) with all advertised conformity, now appears {the meaning of the sentence changes by using with}

Had a problem deciding between (A) and (C), but went with (A) because it sounded better
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21 Apr 2011, 08:25
I went with A. The fifties sing/plural question is a bit confusing, hopefully this is a general rule.
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21 Apr 2011, 11:38

fifties is considered singular when refered to as time period and plural when refered as years.
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21 Apr 2011, 19:04
i picked B. Need to work more on idioms.
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21 Apr 2011, 20:42
I'll go with A.
C seems to be too wordy.

gmatisnothard: Thanks for such an explanation.
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23 Apr 2011, 22:33
Yes the catch here to be sure whether fifties is singular or plural... here it is plural because it talks about a number of years
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24 Apr 2011, 12:25
Though i figured out that fifties is plural, i couldn't pick between A and C.
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24 Apr 2011, 23:24
The fifties, for all their advertised conformity, now appear to have been a time of considerable achievement in the arts.

(A) for all their advertised conformity, now appear to have been
(B) despite all their advertised conformity, now appear to be
(C) for all their advertised conformity, now appear that they were
(D) despite all their advertised conformity, now appears as
(E) with all advertised conformity, now appears

I was able to narrow down to A and B. E seems to be a right candidate but somehow I found it wordy and also I did not find appears a good choice with all.

Among A and B, I preferred to go with the one given in question itself which is A. I found the meaning of B somewhat confusing for me as

Despite X, Y appear to be Z. But Z is not some kind of role and somehow not good to listen as well. So I chose A as I am already very good in forgetting the things so it is very difficult for me to remember so many rules :D
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25 Apr 2012, 06:10
riteshgupta1 wrote:
Remember, it is compared with "a time", not times.

So The fifties has to be singular.

Could someone please explain why the above logic does not apply? If "the fifties" is being referred to as a plural noun here then the later part of the sentence should read "... now appear to have been times of considerable achievement in the arts."

I usually nail SC this one definitely did not strike me as consistent with the GMAT, do we know the source?
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25 Apr 2012, 06:19
what is the meaning of the sentence ??????
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riteshgupta1 wrote:
Remember, it is compared with "a time", not times.

So The fifties has to be singular.

Could someone please explain why the above logic does not apply? If "the fifties" is being referred to as a plural noun here then the later part of the sentence should read "... now appear to have been times of considerable achievement in the arts."

I usually nail SC this one definitely did not strike me as consistent with the GMAT, do we know the source?

I couldn't agree more. This source seems way too dubious and the logic of answers aren't quite satisfactory.

First -- The fifties was a period. (A timeframe so singular but the number of days or months is plural?? Debatable)
Second -- The fifties WAS a period. ( It's in the past.)

I find it easier to rule out based on Timeframe rather than singular/plural on this question.

The fifties, for all their advertised conformity, now appear to have been a time of considerable achievement in the arts.

(A) for all their advertised conformity, now appear to have been
CORRECT
(B) despite all their advertised conformity, now appear to be
Now appear to be? So, previously they didn't have considerable achievement in the arts? Senseless.
(C) for all their advertised conformity, now appear that they were
This is wordy -- now appear that they were. Now appear that -- is non-idiomatic. I suppose its an old type of question not the new styled of GMAT question.
(D) despite all their advertised conformity, now appears as
This changes the meaning because appears as is an idiom used to describe something contrasting what is expected. But that was not the intended meaning here. Second problem here is appears is plural verb and their is plural subject
(E) with all advertised conformity, now appears
Notice E also changes meaning. Replacing For all with With all has a subtle shift in meaning. For all has a meaning similar to although or even though but with all means JUST with everything without any contrats.

Only two forums had this question this one and Beat the GMAT (Link in here:http://www.beatthegmat.com/the-fifties-tough-one-t110840.html )
Since Manhattan doesnt have it I think its 1000SC source and potentially bogus. I agree with MGMAT with respect to using non-OG styled questions. They tend to distort your thinking a little bit. So, beware!!
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25 Apr 2012, 18:36
I would like to know more too, and creadibly!

Fifties -
Can it be used as singular?
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27 Apr 2012, 06:38
See the last part of the sentence "a time of considerable achievement in the arts".
"a time" hints 'singular'.
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