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# The first time that Larry walked down the ramp, laden with

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16 Jul 2012, 06:52
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arunmehta89 wrote:

I am not sure but I guess for 'D' to be a correct , a comma is required at the end of option D.............

and option A is written beautifully,correctly explaining the scenario and 'laden with packages' correctly modifying Larry..............

Please correct me if I am wrong !!

Hi Arun,

The first time that Larry walked down the ramp, laden with packages, he tripped and nearly dislocated his shoulder.

It is clear that you get the intended meaning of the sentence. You agree that “laden with packages” should modify “Larry”.

According to GMAT, the verb-ed modifier is a noun modifier that should be placed to the entity it modifies as close as possible. Generally, verb-ed modifiers modify the immediate preceding noun or noun phrase.

In this sentence, “laden” is a verb-ed modifier which is places next to ramp. Even if it separated from “ramp” by comma, “ramp” is the immediate preceding noun and per the GMAT, “laden” will modify “ramp”. But this is certainly not the intended meaning of the sentence. Hence, we must put “laden” close to Larry so that there is no modification error.

You can also read this post for the correct usage of verb-ed modifiers:
verb-ed-modifiers-vs-verb-ing-modifiers-125611.html?fl=similar

I do agree that in Choice D, we need a comma after “ramp”. However, placement of comma alone has never been the deterministic issue for eliminating an answer choice. GMAT exclusively does not test the correct placement of punctuations. Moreover, to avoid a punctuation error, which is not even an error per GMAT, we are committing a graver error of modification by choosing A. Now modifiers are certainly deterministic errors to eliminate an answer choice.
Hence, we must choose the most ideal answer choice and that is choice D.

Hope this helps.
Thanks.

I'm just thinking out loud here, but why can't the answer choice be B. -- Larry walked, laden with packages, down the ramp . In this sentence , is it not possible to interpret it as Larry fell down the first time he walked with packages down the ramp. Or are there any indicators in the sentence that I am missing ?
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Updated on: 16 Jul 2012, 09:24
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I'm just thinking out loud here, but why can't the answer choice be B. -- Larry walked, laden with packages, down the ramp . In this sentence , is it not possible to interpret it as Larry fell down the first time he walked with packages down the ramp. Or are there any indicators in the sentence that I am missing ?

Hi Arvind,
This is the sentence with choice B:

The first time that Larry walked, laden with packages, down the ramp he tripped and nearly dislocated his shoulder.

This choice is incorrect for two reasons:

1. “laden” is a verb-ed modifier. These modifiers are noun modifiers and hence must be placed as close to the entity they modify as possible. In this choice, “laden” is placed after the verb “walked”. This is not accepted in GMAT.
2. “walked down” is a verb phrase. It does not make sense to split this phrase by inserting a modifier in between. This structure makes the entire sentence awkward.

Hope this helps.
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Originally posted by egmat on 16 Jul 2012, 07:54.
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16 Jul 2012, 08:26
Why isn't the answer E? Wouldn't we want to show the difference between in timing of two events?
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(E) complicates the sentence with a "past-past" tense phrase "had walked"...there is no change in timing so no change in tense needed

You use "had walked" if the sentence said something like "When Larry walked down the ramp, he remembered he had tripped at this same spot 5 years ago"....
Here with the word "remembered"--it suggests a transition to the past...therefore you use the "past-past tense"..
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01 Nov 2012, 02:55
Isn't "laden with packages" an absolute phrase that tells "how Larry walked down the ramp".
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02 Nov 2012, 07:50
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Isn't "laden with packages" an absolute phrase that tells "how Larry walked down the ramp".

Hi Marcab,

In this sentence, "laden with packages" is verb-ed modifier. On GMAT, a verb-ed modifier only modifies the preceding noun entity and not the entire preceding clause. Now, per the context of the sentence and grammatically also, "laden with packages" should modify "Larry" only and not the whole clause as to how he walked down the ramp.

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30 Dec 2012, 04:07
“laden with packages” modifies Larry. Eliminate A, B and C
E – had not necessary. Eliminate
D – Keep.
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09 Feb 2015, 23:05
The first time that Larry walked down the ramp, laden with packages, he tripped and nearly dislocated his shoulder.

(A) Larry walked down the ramp, laden with packages,
(B) Larry walked, laden with packages, down the ramp
(C) Larry walked down the ramp, with laden packages,
(D) Larry, laden with packages, walked down the ramp

To play devil's advocate, I think the official answer A is correct (though I selected D as well!). This question is from GMAT Pill, and though I am not privy to their OE, the discussion about 'laden' modifying ramp is perhaps incorrect. This is because 'laden with packages' is performing the role of a verb modifier answering a question "how did Larry walk down the ramp? As their name indicates. Verb Modifiers modify verbs. These modifiers answer questions about the verb, such as “how,” “when,” “where,” “why,” etc. Verb modifiers are very tricky and far more liberal in terms of where they can be placed.

Would love to have Mike or Karishma through share their thoughts on this.
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10 Oct 2016, 11:22
D is correct. Here's why:

(A) Larry walked down the ramp, laden with packages, --> we're trying to say Larry was carrying a heavy load; this makes it sound like the ramp had all the packages - WRONG

(B) Larry walked, laden with packages, down the ramp --> walked should be after laden phrase

(C) Larry walked down the ramp, with laden packages, --> laden is describing packages, not Larry - WRONG

(D) Larry, laden with packages, walked down the ramp --> CORRECT; laden is describing the state Larry is in

(E) Larry, laden with packages, had walked down the ramp, --> incorrect tense
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13 Jul 2017, 02:22
I was stuck between D and E - picked E
E - had the phrase 'had walked' - which means he first walked, then he tripped and fell
D - doesn't make the meaning as clear in E - though it is correct that he walked, and fell
Thus I picked the past perfect 'had walked' . See how the sentence reads: "Larry, laden with packages, had walked down the ramp, he tripped and fell" - Larry...had walked...he tripped and fell
Can someone explain this tense difference?
A,B, C are obviously wrong in terms of placement of subject (Larry and his packages)

Could someone help me understand why E is wrong?
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27 Sep 2017, 22:30
Hi egmat - could you please comment on why "had" is not necessary to show the sequencing of timing between "walked" and "tripped" which are two past tense events? I understand logically we know one came before the other, but is that sufficient to omit had?

thx!

egmat wrote:
arunmehta89 wrote:

I am not sure but I guess for 'D' to be a correct , a comma is required at the end of option D.............

and option A is written beautifully,correctly explaining the scenario and 'laden with packages' correctly modifying Larry..............

Please correct me if I am wrong !!

Hi Arun,

The first time that Larry walked down the ramp, laden with packages, he tripped and nearly dislocated his shoulder.

It is clear that you get the intended meaning of the sentence. You agree that “laden with packages” should modify “Larry”.

According to GMAT, the verb-ed modifier is a noun modifier that should be placed to the entity it modifies as close as possible. Generally, verb-ed modifiers modify the immediate preceding noun or noun phrase.

In this sentence, “laden” is a verb-ed modifier which is places next to ramp. Even if it separated from “ramp” by comma, “ramp” is the immediate preceding noun and per the GMAT, “laden” will modify “ramp”. But this is certainly not the intended meaning of the sentence. Hence, we must put “laden” close to Larry so that there is no modification error.

You can also read this post for the correct usage of verb-ed modifiers:
http://gmatclub.com/forum/verb-ed-modif ... fl=similar

I do agree that in Choice D, we need a comma after “ramp”. However, placement of comma alone has never been the deterministic issue for eliminating an answer choice. GMAT exclusively does not test the correct placement of punctuations. Moreover, to avoid a punctuation error, which is not even an error per GMAT, we are committing a graver error of modification by choosing A. Now modifiers are certainly deterministic errors to eliminate an answer choice.
Hence, we must choose the most ideal answer choice and that is choice D.

Hope this helps.
Thanks.
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12 Dec 2017, 09:00
I was stuck between D and E - picked E
E - had the phrase 'had walked' - which means he first walked, then he tripped and fell
D - doesn't make the meaning as clear in E - though it is correct that he walked, and fell
Thus I picked the past perfect 'had walked' . See how the sentence reads: "Larry, laden with packages, had walked down the ramp, he tripped and fell" - Larry...had walked...he tripped and fell
Can someone explain this tense difference?
A,B, C are obviously wrong in terms of placement of subject (Larry and his packages)

Could someone help me understand why E is wrong?

E is incorrect because, as he walked down, he tripped and fell .., so they are occuring at same time, not in time sequence, so usage of past perfect is incorrect.

However, i chose A, and i was wrong. I think A would have next best choice to go to, had D committed any error. D wins over A, by placing the noun modifier as close as possible.

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