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# The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at

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The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administred complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simulaneously with but independently of the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.

A) that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but
B) that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously with but also
C) having been cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administred complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously but
D) cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence of centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arising simultaneously but also
E) cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but

Pls post your answers with explanations.....Can the verbal Gods pls help - DJ, JP, Stoofli, Akamai, Paul, Prae, et. al.

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20 Aug 2004, 07:50
B looks best to me.

The trenches were cut in past and the structure still yields information about societies.....
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20 Aug 2004, 13:20
A .........In B is "trenches........yields" correct??
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20 Aug 2004, 14:16
POE...
I am considering that trenches is plural, eventhough they were the first ones, but were certainly more than 1

B-->"that were cut" doesn't go with "yields" - wrong
C-->I actually like a present participle here "having been cut" as evidence was forwaded after the trenches were cut. But there is missing pronoun (that) that made me shell this choice.
D-->we need a pronoun(that) to refer to what was cut and "what was arising simultaneously". Furthermore, "yields" doesn't go good with trenches - wrong.
E--> I think, the choice is in-complete ... typo??

A my choice.

"Independently of" needs "simultaneous with". to me of/with is the key here. Present perfect as trenches have yielded the results that hold good in the present.
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20 Aug 2004, 14:17
A looks right to me. God this was wordy, these are the toughest for me
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20 Aug 2004, 14:37
Tough choice btwn A and B.

I believe it is more idiomatic to end the underlined sentence w/ a but also.

I choose B.

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20 Aug 2004, 16:03
It's between A and C and I pick C
I dont see what's wrong with C???
Rather in A I have a feeling that "complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising " the "that" is kinda ambiguous!!!

Am I missing something?
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20 Aug 2004, 17:36
Sorry folks....I just realized that "E" didnt show up. I just modified by original post so that answer choice "E" is complete.
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20 Aug 2004, 18:27
b and d are out because you can't have 'tranches' and 'yields'. I believe E's 'that' is better than A's "for"
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20 Aug 2004, 18:36
I go with E , trenches can't with yields , eliminates B and D
I don't see why we need "having been " in C makes it too wordy - C

between A and E , i go with E

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Re: SC - Hamoukar, Syria.....Another Difficult Question? [#permalink]

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20 Aug 2004, 20:57
gmataquaguy wrote:
The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administred complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simulaneously with but independently of the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.

A) that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but
B) that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously with but also
C) having been cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administred complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously but
D) cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence of centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arising simultaneously but also
E) cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but

Pls post your answers with explanations.....Can the verbal Gods pls help - DJ, JP, Stoofli, Akamai, Paul, Prae, et. al.

I think it should be E.
have no good sound explanation though

The tenses are in sync .
cut [..], have [...] arose [..]
'evidence that' sounds better ..
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20 Aug 2004, 21:22
after reading my own explanation, I think the answer should be E. need a past tense "arose"

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21 Aug 2004, 00:07
C.

1. trenches...yeilds is wrong. So, B and D are gone.
2. "were arising simulaneously with but "
unidiomatic, since "simulaneously with XXX" - XXX is missing
A and E goes.

C seems just fine, except for non ETS type.
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21 Aug 2004, 05:39
OA is "E". Good Catch Lastochka.
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21 Aug 2004, 08:20
"...centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but independently..."

Is this normal sentence - simulataneously with but?
I was expecting to see an object after "with".
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21 Aug 2004, 10:05
E is best.

The best sentence should begin with the present (the trenches are cut )and go on to the past (evidence of something that was already present in the past) and then end with the present ( in what is now Southern Iraq).

If you read carefully, I believe "arose simultaneously " is the only correct expression that signifies the past here.

A is incorrect. Note the use of "have yielded". if the trenches "were" cut in the past, the correct usage would be just "yielded" ..as in... the trenches that were cut ..... yielded evidence ...

B is incorrect, because it uses present "arising" to signify something in the past. IMO, B also has a problem with subject verb agreement .. first trenches (plural subject)...."yields" ( singular verb)

C again has the problem with present " arising simultaneously" to signify something in the past.

I believe no one picked D. But it has the same problem as B and C

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21 Aug 2004, 10:05
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