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# The GRE, which was first administered in 1949, is four years

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The GRE, which was first administered in 1949, is four years older than is the GMAT.
(A) which was first administered in 1949, is four years older than is
(B) first administered in 1949, is four years older than
(C) which was first administered in 1949, is four years older than
(D) first administered in 1949, is four years older as is
(E) first administered in 1949, is four years older than is

Is it necessary to have older than 'is'....why is not B correct?
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The GRE, which was first administered in 1949, is four years older than is the GMAT.
(A) which was first administered in 1949, is four years older than is
(B) first administered in 1949, is four years older than
(C) which was first administered in 1949, is four years older than
(D) first administered in 1949, is four years older as is
(E) first administered in 1949, is four years older than is

OA: E. Is it necessary to have older than 'is'....why is not B correct?

With all due respect to GyanOne, I disagree.

I believe this question is fundamentally flawed. In my reading, (B) is 100% correct. The subject is not "the GRE's age", but rather just "the GRE". If we drop the modifying clause between the commas, (B) becomes:
(B) The GRE is four years older than the GMAT.
That is a classic correct comparison --- noun to noun comparison. Adding the modifier doesn't change anything. (B) is 100% correct. In fact, (A) & (C) are also grammatically correct, although a bit wordier.

What is the source of this question? Keep in mind that not all GMAT SC practice questions are created equal. Some are excellent --- for example, MGMAT consistent produces high quality questions. Many, even from companies with reputable names, are absolutely atrocious. If I had to give the question writer a grade for this question, I would give an F. This is an abysmal failure of a question.

In a true GMAT SC question or a high quality practice question, there are clear grammatical errors separating most of the incorrect choices from the correct choice, and the wordiness/concision thing is usually not used as a split for more than one answer.

Here's a high quality question, a practice SC question dealing with comparisons:
http://gmat.magoosh.com/questions/3229
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Kapil, a comparison must be between like things. The GRE's age cannot be compared to the GMAT - it must be compared with the GMAT's age. Further, this construction has played around by bringing in the 'is' before the noun - an uncommon but still grammatically usage.
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semwal wrote:
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He is 4 yrs older than me..........CORRECT
HE is 4 yrs older than am i.......AWKWARD

Dear semwal
This is a case in which the less preferred version is so common in colloquial English that is sounds more natural, and the truly correct version sounds awkward.

Technically, "than me" is not 100% wrong --- Shakespeare used it, and some grammatical liberals would argue that it is perfectly correct --- but in the relatively conservative environment of GMAT SC, it will never fly. The structure "than me" and any related structure, a pronoun in the objective case following "than," will be wrong 100% of the time on the GMAT.

You see, the GMAT is in love with parallelism, and having the subjective case of the pronoun brings out the parallelism.
He is 4 yrs older than am I. (The S-V reversal is particularly highfalutin, given the subject!)
He is 4 yrs older than I am. (What I would say, given the subject)

Does all this make sense?
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11 Mar 2014, 12:22
The GRE, which was first administered in 1949, is four years older than is the GMAT.

(A) which was first administered in 1949, is four years older thanis....." which" gives a specific GRE exam---1949 one , but we are talking of the GRE Exam which continues till date.......
(B) first administered in 1949, is four years older than......correct
(C)which was first administered in 1949, is four years older than.....
(D) first administered in 1949, is four years older as is
(E) first administered in 1949, is four years older thanis

IMO---------
He is 4 yrs older than me..........CORRECT
HE is 4 yrs older than am i.......AWKWARD
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11 Mar 2014, 19:06
mikemcgarry wrote:
semwal wrote:
IMO---------
He is 4 yrs older than me..........CORRECT
HE is 4 yrs older than am i.......AWKWARD

Dear semwal
This is a case in which the less preferred version is so common in colloquial English that is sounds more natural, and the truly correct version sounds awkward.

Technically, "than me" is not 100% wrong --- Shakespeare used it, and some grammatical liberals would argue that it is perfectly correct --- but in the relatively conservative environment of GMAT SC, it will never fly. The structure "than me" and any related structure, a pronoun in the objective case following "than," will be wrong 100% of the time on the GMAT.

You see, the GMAT is in love with parallelism, and having the subjective case of the pronoun brings out the parallelism.
He is 4 yrs older than am I. (The S-V reversal is particularly highfalutin, given the subject!)
He is 4 yrs older than I am. (What I would say, given the subject)

Does all this make sense?
Mike

Hi Mike,

I understand the Subject-to-subject and object-to-object rules of comparisons. Still, how do you test whether or not the comparison clause should include a verb? I'm not as confident as I'd like to be on those questions, unlike the one above.

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12 Mar 2014, 07:44
mikemcgarry wrote:
semwal wrote:
This is a case in which the less preferred version is so common in colloquial English that is sounds more natural, and the truly correct version sounds awkward.

Technically, "than me" is not 100% wrong --- Shakespeare used it, and some grammatical liberals would argue that it is perfectly correct --- but in the relatively conservative environment of GMAT SC, it will never fly. The structure "than me" and any related structure, a pronoun in the objective case following "than," will be wrong 100% of the time on the GMAT.

You see, the GMAT is in love with parallelism, and having the subjective case of the pronoun brings out the parallelism.
He is 4 yrs older than am I. (The S-V reversal is particularly highfalutin, given the subject!)
He is 4 yrs older than I am. (What I would say, given the subject)

Does all this make sense?
Mike

thanks for a great explanation !!!!!
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12 Mar 2014, 10:02
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Hi Mike,

I understand the Subject-to-subject and object-to-object rules of comparisons. Still, how do you test whether or not the comparison clause should include a verb? I'm not as confident as I'd like to be on those questions, unlike the one above.

Thanks for all your quality posts!

Dear mejia401,
Thank you for your kind words.

Really, in almost all cases of comparisons, inclusion of the verb in the second branch is completely optional and a matter of taste.
Chris is smarter than I.
Chris is smarter than I am.

Both of those are 100% grammatically correct. Because so many folks use and expect to hear the mistake "... than me", I think the first, without the verb, sounds funny, so I always would say the second, with the verb. That's just my own opinion on what sounds better, but both are correct.

In the very rare case in which the second verb is different, then of course you would need to include the verb:
Chris eats an entire meal faster than I cut up my food.
Such a case is unlikely to appear on the GMAT. In comparisons, and in any form of parallelism, you are always allowed to drop repeated words that are clear from context. See:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/dropping-c ... -the-gmat/

Does all this make sense?
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03 Mar 2015, 21:35
mikemcgarry wrote:
kapilagrawal123 wrote:
The GRE, which was first administered in 1949, is four years older than is the GMAT.
(A) which was first administered in 1949, is four years older than is
(B) first administered in 1949, is four years older than
(C) which was first administered in 1949, is four years older than
(D) first administered in 1949, is four years older as is
(E) first administered in 1949, is four years older than is

OA: E. Is it necessary to have older than 'is'....why is not B correct?

With all due respect to GyanOne, I disagree.

I believe this question is fundamentally flawed. In my reading, (B) is 100% correct. The subject is not "the GRE's age", but rather just "the GRE". If we drop the modifying clause between the commas, (B) becomes:
(B) The GRE is four years older than the GMAT.
That is a classic correct comparison --- noun to noun comparison. Adding the modifier doesn't change anything. (B) is 100% correct. In fact, (A) & (C) are also grammatically correct, although a bit wordier.

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Let me know if anyone reading this has any further questions.
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Can you explain how (A) and (C) are correct too? I judged them to be wrong as they contain 'which'.
My thought process: There is only one GRE so using 'which' is incorrect.
I chose (B) as the answer.

@Mods Please either change the answer or remove this question. It seems ambiguous.
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13 Apr 2017, 22:28
what is the source of this question?

i agree with mikemcgarry, i also selected "B". However, I narrowed down to "B" and "C" and am still unsure why "C" is wrong. Any explanations?

also, can we get this updated to show that "B" is in fact the correct answer?
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13 Apr 2017, 22:28
the answer should be "B". please claim source and correct OA as appropriate. thank you
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15 Apr 2017, 16:12
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the answer should be "B". please claim source and correct OA as appropriate. thank you

Other than option D, all the other options are grammatically correct. This question is flawed.
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LakerFan24 wrote:
the answer should be "B". please claim source and correct OA as appropriate. thank you

Other than option D, all the other options are grammatically correct. This question is flawed.

Can we either lock or delete this topic?
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