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New post 22 Mar 2017, 10:33
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But without referring to gyrfalcon in the previous part of the sentence, isn't 'it' a dangling modifier?
For a dangling modifier, you'd first need a modifier there. Is it that you feel that the it is ambiguous?

Some examples of dangling and misplaced modifiers:

Before solving the last question, the timer was checked.

Having heard great music, it was decided that we would go home.

A sporting legend, Federer's racket was sold at auction yesterday.

The longest game in history, the audience gave the players in the first round game a standing ovation more than 11 hours long.
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Yes, 'it' seems ambiguous since it appears after a semicolon and logically should not refer to any part before the semicolon.
Ambiguity is not a huge thing on the GMAT. That is, although we need to keep an eye out for ambiguity, we don't want to remove options immediately just because they are ambiguous. Here is another example of the same thing.

Take a look, and I'm sure that you'll agree that a certain amount of ambiguity can be tolerated in English.
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The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's.

(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than

(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than

(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were

(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had

(E) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than what they were
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There may be a problem with OA of this version of question. Please confirm? Every one seems to be discussing another version of the same question whilst the question is actually different.
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There may be a problem with OA of this version of question. Please confirm? Every one seems to be discussing another version of the same question whilst the question is actually different.


There are 2 versions of the question and I believe both have the correct OA

https://gmatclub.com/forum/the-gyrfalco ... 13398.html

The gyrfalcon, an arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction;
its numbers are now five times greater than what they were
when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's.

(A) its numbers are now five times greater than what they were when - Correct
(B) its numbers now fivefold what they were when - verb missing
(C) its numbers now five times more than when - wrong use of comparison word - numbers are now 5 times greater ..
(D) now with fivefold the numbers it had when - sounded weird
(E) now with its numbers five greater since - with greater we need than not since and I thought this means now n = n + 5 instead of now n = 5n


https://gmatclub.com/forum/the-gyrfalco ... 34552.html

The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction;
its numbers are now five times greater than
when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's.

(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than - Correct. its numbers are now five times greater than when ... - clearly states what we are comparing .. numbers now to numbers when ..
(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than - use greater not more
(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were - verb missing
(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had - sounded weird
(E) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than what they were - perfectly correct but given A need to drop this.
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(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than
(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than
(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were
(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had
(E) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than what they were


Here is E dropped just because A is concise? Do we have any solid reasoning for dropping E and selecting A?
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Here is E dropped just because A is concise? Do we have any solid reasoning for dropping E and selecting A?


Hi AkshayKS21 ,

'what they were ' is a wrong construction, which is almost always incorrect on GMAT.

Hence, E can NEVER be the right answer.
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AkshayKS21 wrote:
Here is E dropped just because A is concise? Do we have any solid reasoning for dropping E and selecting A?


Hi AkshayKS21 ,

'what they were ' is a wrong construction, which is almost always incorrect on GMAT.

Hence, E can NEVER be the right answer.


Thanks. I think "what" is the word causing trouble here.
Can we say "than they were"? they refers to numbers right?
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(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than
(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than
(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were
(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had
(E) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than what they were


Here is E dropped just because A is concise? Do we have any solid reasoning for dropping E and selecting A?


The use of "what" creates a wrong comparison - the correct comparison is between two adverbs (time references) - "now" and "when...." ( as in A.)

In E, introduction of "what" makes the comparion between an adverb "now" and a pronoun "what". Alternatively E could have been constructed as follows:
....its numbers are now five times greater than what they were..... In this case the comparison would be between two clauses "its numbers are now" and "they were when..."
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Thanks. I think "what" is the word causing trouble here.
Can we say "than they were"? they refers to numbers right?


Yes, we can use. Actually this is what option A is doing.

We are using ellipsis in option A.

Ideally, option A is saying:

its numbers are now five times greater than [they were]when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's.

I hope that makes sense. :)
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The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's.

(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than
(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than
(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were
(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had
(E) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than what they were

Numbers are greater not MORE.

what is wrong with E?
extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than what they were

its numbers => gyrfalcon's numbers are now five times greater than they (gyrfalcon's numbers) were
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Clearly, competition is between A and B.My logic might be incorrect but I discarded B on the basis of math logic. As we have to always ensure intended meaning of the sentence is not lost.

Greater - let's assume the number 2. What will be 5 times greater than 2 ? 5*2 =10
More - let's assume the number 2. What will be 5 times more than 2? 2+5*2 = 12

Now you can see the difference between both options and choose correct option accordingly. As per question value was 10 not 12.

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The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's.

(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than
(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than
(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were
(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had
(E) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than what they were

Numbers are greater not MORE.

what is wrong with E?
extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than what they were

its numbers => gyrfalcon's numbers are now five times greater than they (gyrfalcon's numbers) were
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Concision - the same idea is expressed in A using three fewer words, and hence A is better than E.
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Clearly, competition is between A and B.My logic might be incorrect but I discarded B on the basis of math logic. As we have to always ensure intended meaning of the sentence is not lost.

Greater - let's assume the number 2. What will be 5 times greater than 2 ? 5*2 =10
More - let's assume the number 2. What will be 5 times more than 2? 2+5*2 = 12

Now you can see the difference between both options and choose correct option accordingly. As per question value was 10 not 12.

Thanks,
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Both "more" and "greater" have the same issue:
5 times x = 5x
5 times greater (or more) than x = x + 5x.

If you want to imply 5x, then you should use five times the number or 5 times the amount (neither "greater" nor "more" should be used). The words "greater" and "more" both bring in the concept of addition, not multiplication.

Hence the logic you mentioned cannot be used to differentiate between "greater" and "more".
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New post 07 Feb 2018, 20:38
Hi ! I have a question :

In Manhattan prep 6th edition (Chapter 12 , Numbers in Comparisons ,pp184) , it is written as following:


Right: The man is 5 times as ols as his grandson.

Wrong : The man is 5 times older than is grandson.



While in the gyrfalcon problem above , the correct answer states like this:

...;its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's.

So why in the Manhattan one it`s wrong to say " older than " ,but in this OG question , " greater than " is accepted ?

Thanks for your help !!
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my confusion is
1) doesn't it sound unidiomatic numbers 5 times greater than ( normally we use 5 times the) I am asking this not in context to this particular question but as a rule in general
2) confused between A and E
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kunalkhanna wrote:
my confusion is
1) doesn't it sound unidiomatic numbers 5 times greater than ( normally we use 5 times the) I am asking this not in context to this particular question but as a rule in general
2) confused between A and E
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Hello kunalkhanna,


Thank you for the query. I will be glad to help you with this one. :-)

1) There is no issue with the expression numbers are five times greater than.... Another correct expression, as you indicated, is numbers are five times the number.... Don't we explain the expression 5 > 2 as five is greater than 2? So the expression the numbers are greater than... is absolutely fine.


2) Choice E is very wordy compared to Choice A. There is no need for the expression what they were mentioned in Choice E. Choice A presents correct comparison in a very concise manner.


Hope this helps. :-)
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