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New post 22 Mar 2017, 08:43
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The part after the semicolon in option A - 'its numbers are now five times greater than' is correct as a standalone sentence?
There is a subject (numbers) and a verb (are) there, so we do have a clause after the semicolon.
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The part after the semicolon in option A - 'its numbers are now five times greater than' is correct as a standalone sentence?
There is a subject (numbers) and a verb (are) there, so we do have a clause after the semicolon.



But without referring to gyrfalcon in the previous part of the sentence, isn't 'it' a dangling modifier?
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But without referring to gyrfalcon in the previous part of the sentence, isn't 'it' a dangling modifier?
For a dangling modifier, you'd first need a modifier there. Is it that you feel that the it is ambiguous?

Some examples of dangling and misplaced modifiers:

Before solving the last question, the timer was checked.

Having heard great music, it was decided that we would go home.

A sporting legend, Federer's racket was sold at auction yesterday.

The longest game in history, the audience gave the players in the first round game a standing ovation more than 11 hours long.
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But without referring to gyrfalcon in the previous part of the sentence, isn't 'it' a dangling modifier?
For a dangling modifier, you'd first need a modifier there. Is it that you feel that the it is ambiguous?

Some examples of dangling and misplaced modifiers:

Before solving the last question, the timer was checked.

Having heard great music, it was decided that we would go home.

A sporting legend, Federer's racket was sold at auction yesterday.

The longest game in history, the audience gave the players in the first round game a standing ovation more than 11 hours long.



Yes, 'it' seems ambiguous since it appears after a semicolon and logically should not refer to any part before the semicolon.
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Yes, 'it' seems ambiguous since it appears after a semicolon and logically should not refer to any part before the semicolon.
Ambiguity is not a huge thing on the GMAT. That is, although we need to keep an eye out for ambiguity, we don't want to remove options immediately just because they are ambiguous. Here is another example of the same thing.

Take a look, and I'm sure that you'll agree that a certain amount of ambiguity can be tolerated in English.
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The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's.

(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than

(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than

(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were

(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had

(E) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than what they were
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In the 2017 OG Verbal Review (E) is written with a comma, which is also given as the explanation why the answer choice is wrong. Can we please change that?
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Hi Experts, Can you please explain what is wrong with option E? "they" can refer back to numbers so the comparison could be correct. Thanks!
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There may be a problem with OA of this version of question. Please confirm? Every one seems to be discussing another version of the same question whilst the question is actually different.
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There may be a problem with OA of this version of question. Please confirm? Every one seems to be discussing another version of the same question whilst the question is actually different.


There are 2 versions of the question and I believe both have the correct OA

https://gmatclub.com/forum/the-gyrfalco ... 13398.html

The gyrfalcon, an arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction;
its numbers are now five times greater than what they were
when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's.

(A) its numbers are now five times greater than what they were when - Correct
(B) its numbers now fivefold what they were when - verb missing
(C) its numbers now five times more than when - wrong use of comparison word - numbers are now 5 times greater ..
(D) now with fivefold the numbers it had when - sounded weird
(E) now with its numbers five greater since - with greater we need than not since and I thought this means now n = n + 5 instead of now n = 5n


https://gmatclub.com/forum/the-gyrfalco ... 34552.html

The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction;
its numbers are now five times greater than
when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's.

(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than - Correct. its numbers are now five times greater than when ... - clearly states what we are comparing .. numbers now to numbers when ..
(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than - use greater not more
(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were - verb missing
(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had - sounded weird
(E) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than what they were - perfectly correct but given A need to drop this.
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The part after the semicolon in option A - 'its numbers are now five times greater than' is correct as a standalone sentence?
There is a subject (numbers) and a verb (are) there, so we do have a clause after the semicolon.



Is there any possible case when an independent clause and a dependent clause are not joined properly?

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(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than
(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than
(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were
(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had
(E) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than what they were


Here is E dropped just because A is concise? Do we have any solid reasoning for dropping E and selecting A?
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Here is E dropped just because A is concise? Do we have any solid reasoning for dropping E and selecting A?


Hi AkshayKS21 ,

'what they were ' is a wrong construction, which is almost always incorrect on GMAT.

Hence, E can NEVER be the right answer.
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Here is E dropped just because A is concise? Do we have any solid reasoning for dropping E and selecting A?


Hi AkshayKS21 ,

'what they were ' is a wrong construction, which is almost always incorrect on GMAT.

Hence, E can NEVER be the right answer.


Thanks. I think "what" is the word causing trouble here.
Can we say "than they were"? they refers to numbers right?
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(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than
(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than
(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were
(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had
(E) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than what they were


Here is E dropped just because A is concise? Do we have any solid reasoning for dropping E and selecting A?


The use of "what" creates a wrong comparison - the correct comparison is between two adverbs (time references) - "now" and "when...." ( as in A.)

In E, introduction of "what" makes the comparion between an adverb "now" and a pronoun "what". Alternatively E could have been constructed as follows:
....its numbers are now five times greater than what they were..... In this case the comparison would be between two clauses "its numbers are now" and "they were when..."
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Thanks. I think "what" is the word causing trouble here.
Can we say "than they were"? they refers to numbers right?


Yes, we can use. Actually this is what option A is doing.

We are using ellipsis in option A.

Ideally, option A is saying:

its numbers are now five times greater than [they were]when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's.

I hope that makes sense. :)
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I am not understanding what exactly is being compared here in the above sentence.... can anyone explain this please?
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The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's.

(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than
(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than
(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were
(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had
(E) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than what they were


except A and B all other options have one or the other error

C-- their is a plural pronoun,,,no antecedent
D--they is a plural pronoun
E--again they is a problem here

so i narrowed down to A and B,,

five times more than sounds awkward..
ans A
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The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's.

(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than
(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than
(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were
(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they had
(E) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than what they were


A. Correct.
B. "Five times more" cannot be used with the plural, countable noun "numbers."
C. "Their" improperly refers to "gyrfalcon."
D. "They" improperly refers to "gyrfalcon."
E. "With" improperly implies causation (extinction -> fivefold numbers).
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