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The Head of Operations, after seeing the damage caused by the corrosive substance, shouted and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel.

A) shouted and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel
B) shouted at and berated the forklift driver who dropped the barrel
C) shouted at and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrels
D) shouted at and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel
E) shouted and berated the forklift driver who dropped the barrels
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New post 10 Aug 2015, 22:41
This question is logically flawed with respect to the answer IMO.

A forklift requires one driver. :) So if we use "drivers" then it should be "barrels"...

Well GMAT and my logic. :lol:

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The Head of Operations, after seeing the damage caused by the corrosive substance, shouted and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel.

A) shouted and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel
B) shouted at and berated the forklift driver who dropped the barrel
C) shouted at and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrels
D) shouted at and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel
E) shouted and berated the forklift driver who dropped the barrels


Yes, I concur with the opinion made above. BCD all three could be correct depending on the context.
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New post 12 Nov 2015, 19:31
wow
this is the first time when I see such a question. This is very strange, especially when you look at the source of the question.
first of all, original sentence sets the tone. There are more drivers and only 1 barrel.
Shouted and berated - incorrect. Shouted AT - ok

A) shouted and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel
out - shouted should be followed by AT
B) shouted at and berated the forklift driver who dropped the barrel
1 driver - incorrect
C) shouted at and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrels
1 barrel - not barrels - out
D) shouted at and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel
good
E) shouted and berated the forklift driver who dropped the barrels
1 driver - more barrels - out

IS IT REALLY THE ECONOMIST's QUESTION????????
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Mascarfi wrote:
The Head of Operations, after seeing the damage caused by the corrosive substance, shouted and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel.

A) shouted and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel
B) shouted at and berated the forklift driver who dropped the barrel
C) shouted at and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrels
D) shouted at and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel
E) shouted and berated the forklift driver who dropped the barrels


A & E are out.
But what could be wrong with either of B,C and D???
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The logic is that one forklift will have one driver at a given time and not more than one. Therefore, any reference to the plural ‘drivers’ is illogical. However, one driver may take one barrel or more than one barrel in a take, so the plural barrels or the singular barrel is immaterial to the context. However, idiomatically, shouting at somebody is more appropriate than simply shouting somebody. So, essentially the correct choice must have ‘shout at’ and the singular ‘driver’.

Choices B and E both use the singular ‘driver’, but E lacks the idiomatic ‘shout at’. Therefore, B, I reckon.
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New post 30 Dec 2015, 16:36
Is this really 700 level question because issues with wrong options were very silly.

Mascarfi wrote:
The Head of Operations, after seeing the damage caused by the corrosive substance, shouted and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel.

A) shouted (missing AT) and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel
B) shouted at and berated the forklift driver who dropped the barrel
C) shouted at and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrels
D) shouted at and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel
E) shouted and berated the forklift driver who dropped the barrels
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The logic is that one forklift will have one driver at a given time and not more than one. Therefore, any reference to the plural ‘drivers’ is illogical. However, one driver may take one barrel or more than one barrel in a take, so the plural barrels or the singular barrel is immaterial to the context. However, idiomatically, shouting at somebody is more appropriate than simply shouting somebody. So, essentially the correct choice must have ‘shout at’ and the singular ‘driver’.

Choices B and E both use the singular ‘driver’, but E lacks the idiomatic ‘shout at’. Therefore, B, I reckon.


on that note, is it wrong to say 'bus drivers'? or 'car drivers'? if so, how can we refer to drivers of different buses (in this case, forklifts).
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The logic is that one forklift will have one driver at a given time and not more than one. Therefore, any reference to the plural ‘drivers’ is illogical. However, one driver may take one barrel or more than one barrel in a take, so the plural barrels or the singular barrel is immaterial to the context. However, idiomatically, shouting at somebody is more appropriate than simply shouting somebody. So, essentially the correct choice must have ‘shout at’ and the singular ‘driver’.

Choices B and E both use the singular ‘driver’, but E lacks the idiomatic ‘shout at’. Therefore, B, I reckon.


I try not to use too much logic on GMAT questions. I missed a DS once because oranges were divided into baskets-clearly more then one, yeah? No, one was an option I should have tested.

Keeping the meaning from the original sentence, multiple drivers, one barrel, D. Maybe one of the drivers is training? Clearly not doing a great job at it... :-D
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For the sake of academic discussion:
My point is that there was only one driver who drove one forklift. It is too much to think that there were several drivers in one forklift and they all joined to drop one barrel. In that vein, we can not also say there were several forklifts and several drivers who all joined to drop a barrel or barrels jointly from their own individual forklifts. Alternatively, when we want to say that there were several forklifts and several drivers, we can say 'the forklifts’ drivers’?

When there is a mishap, we will blame the driver who drove the bus and not all the drivers. In any case, how many are required to run a bus at any given time? One or several?

2. Can we also say that there were two drivers in a forklift and one of them was a rookie while the other was an old hand, and the Head selectively chose to berate the trainee while sparing the experienced hand? I do not think there can be an end to such a fancy.

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For the sake of academic discussion:
My point is that there was only one driver who drove one forklift. It is too much to think that there were several drivers in one forklift and they all joined to drop one barrel. In that vein, we can not also say there were several forklifts and several drivers who all joined to drop a barrel or barrels jointly from their own individual forklifts. Alternatively, when we want to say that there were several forklifts and several drivers, we can say 'the forklifts’ drivers’?

When there is a mishap, we will blame the driver who drove the bus and not all the drivers. In any case, how many are required to run a bus at any given time? One or several?

2. Can we also say that there were two drivers in a forklift and one of them was a rookie while the other was an old hand, and the Head selectively chose to berate the trainee while sparing the experienced hand? I do not think there can be an end to such a fancy.

The point of SC is not to jump out of the box in order to justify something.


For the sake of continuing an academic discussion...

If we agree that there can be driver or drivers that are being yelled at, it makes sense to preserve the original meaning. Multiple drivers were being yelled at for dropping a single barrel. Changing it to a single driver is a different meaning (especially to the other driver who is no longer being yelled at!), which is why I think the OA is D.
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I have never agreed to several drivers in a forklift. But you are welcome to think your way, although we may disagree to agree.
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I have never agreed to several drivers in a forklift. But you are welcome to think your way, although we may disagree to agree.


So you think the OA is incorrect then?
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I most certainly feel so. After all, this is not an OG topic that we have to stand by for the correctness of the OA.
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I most certainly feel so. After all, this is not an OG topic that we have to stand by for the correctness of the OA.


True. I've come across a number of questions where the OA doesn't make much sense.

But in this case, the OA does seem to be grammatically correct. You disagree with it because of what you know about forklifts (there can't be more then one driver), unless I'm mischaracterizing your reasoning. To my knowledge, that's not a valid reason to strike a SC answer. Now if the verb tense didn't agree with two drivers, I would wholeheartedly agree with you.

I mean really, they have to make it fair. I know jack **** about forklifts. If the sentence read that the manager yelled at all of the 14 drivers, I would think they probably deserved it.
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Mascarfi wrote:
The Head of Operations, after seeing the damage caused by the corrosive substance, shouted and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel.

A) shouted and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel
B) shouted at and berated the forklift driver who dropped the barrel
C) shouted at and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrels
D) shouted at and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel
E) shouted and berated the forklift driver who dropped the barrels


So really - B or D? I have chosen B.
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Mascarfi wrote:
The Head of Operations, after seeing the damage caused by the corrosive substance, shouted and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel.

A) shouted and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel
B) shouted at and berated the forklift driver who dropped the barrel
C) shouted at and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrels
D) shouted at and berated the forklift drivers who dropped the barrel
E) shouted and berated the forklift driver who dropped the barrels


So really - B or D? I have chosen B.

B makes the most sense with regards to logic. However, D is most similar to the original answer (A). This is the only possible explanation why D is correct in my honest opinion.
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I also chose B in this question, but may be this is some kind of forklift with two drivers :D
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What can I say...Economist Gmat...the source of very poor quality question again. Economist Gmat almost always gives you a question that asks you to make desicions that GMAT would never ask, hence defocusing you from the real aspects that GMAT will test you. Just try to avoid SC questions with Economist Gmat tag. Peace.
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