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New post 01 Jun 2010, 21:42
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Prax, I agree that the tense 'would' is required here. but isnt 'that' awkwardly placed.
Doesnt the below sentence sound better ...

The health commissioner said that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and, that despite the recent illnesses, it would try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future.

Due to this, I picked up A as the option. What is the source of this sentence?

E. "That" should be used in order to maintain parallelism

Said that ..... that
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The health commissioner said that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and, despite the recent illnesses, it will try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future.

1. it will try

2. that it tried

3.it had tried

4.it would have tried

5.that it would try



In order to maintain parallelism - we need that.
In order to underline future in the past - we need would, so E
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New post 03 Jun 2010, 07:33
good explanation by Prax.

E for me.
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New post 17 Jun 2010, 14:34
You have explained this problem with amazing clarity and have helped me clear a long standing doubt with regard to the usage of WOULD when it is used for a "future event" with respect to another past event and yet both events are happening in past. Thanks a ton and if I could I would have given you TEN Kudos for this.

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The OA is E.

In the original sentence, the verb "had implemented" is in the past perfect tense, indicating that this event occurred at some point before the commissioner spoke. The verb "will try", however, is in the simple future. When the future is indicated from the point of view of the past, the simple future is not used. Instead, the conditional is required. For example, "The man said that he would buy a new car" is preferable to "The man said that he will buy a new car." We need to find a conditional verb. Moreover, the pronoun "it" begins a new clause and thus requires repetition of "that" in order to make clear, using parallel structure, that this new clause is still something that the commissioner said. For example, "The man said that he would buy a new car and that he would drive it everywhere" is preferable to "The man said that he would buy a new car and he would drive it everywhere."

(A) This choice is incorrect as it repeats the original sentence.

(B) This choice does not offer the conditional "would try", though it does offer another "that". The past tense "tried" is definitely wrong here because the trying will happen "in the future" according to the original sentence. Thus this choice changes the meaning unacceptably.
(C) This choice uses the past perfect tense "had tried" where the conditional "would try" is preferred. An extra "that" is needed to make the two clauses "the government had..." and "it had tried" parallel.

(D) This is a tempting choice as it fixes the verb tense to the conditional "would." However, the tense is technically "conditional perfect" (would have tried), which is not the proper tense. Moreover, an extra "that" is needed to make the two clauses "the government had..." and "it would try" parallel.

(E) CORRECT. This choice provides the plain conditional tense and another "that".
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I will go with E.

When there is a simple prediction about the future, we use "will"
With predictions about the future that have been made in the past, we use “would”

example:
Correct: Sam said that he would do his homework by saturday only if he is allowed to play on sunday.
Incorrect: Sam said that he will do his homework by saturday only if he is allowed to play on sunday.
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E it is.

We need 'would' because the sentence is written in the past about the future. Also the sentence is parallel with....The health commissioner said that the government.......and that it....

The below should help.

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OA is E

"despite" is not a conjunction. "And" is a conjunction. "And" also indicates that parallelism is required.

The health commissioner said that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and it would try to prevent the outbreak from reccurring in the future.

The health commissioner said that X [a clause] and (that) Y (another clause).

Both clauses are things that the health commissioner said. Further, both clauses start with nouns - in particular, nouns that are the subjects of their respective clauses. Finally, the subject "it" in the second parallel clause is referring to the subject "government" in the first parallel clause. (It's not 100% required for the pronoun to refer specifically to the subject in the first clause, but when it does, that's extra-nice parallelism. :)
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New post 21 Aug 2010, 23:00
yes E it is !!..in ..reported speech use of "that" is required and will become "would "
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New post 22 Aug 2010, 02:08
Great !!..Its E....I got the point.
Nice learning about " talking in past about future : Use WOULD " Great explanation by seekmba..Good :)
Unfortunately I opted for B,merely considering parallelism.
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New post 22 Aug 2010, 02:32
I will go with E

The health commissioner said that....and .... that it would try .....in future

for simple prediction in future ...
past tense .. would + verb ... in future
present tense ... will + verb ... in future.
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New post 22 Aug 2010, 13:46
i will still go for A coz of despite recent illnesses
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New post 24 Aug 2010, 12:47
If E were to be correct, then "that" should be placed before "despite" to itroduce the new clause.
A it is.
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But if we use 'that' as in B and E, what does 'it' refer to ? :shock:
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But if we use 'that' as in B and E, what does 'it' refer to ? :shock:


what you are saying is absolutely correct .... however if you ook at the other choices , they have " IT " placed after illness. So no way you can make the relation between noun and pronoun clearer So you have to pick the other flaw and correct that .

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+1 E

Reported speech. A basic lesson for those whose native language is not English 8-)
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In for A

I don't think 'that' in the first part of sentence and 'that' in E are parallels because 'despite the recent illness' will not belong to either the first part or the second part of the sentence

The below structure in A works fine for me

The health commissioner said that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and, despite the recent illnesses, it will try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future

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Yes, despite the recent illness is a dependent clause and the sentence reads just fine in E, with out the Dependent clause and misses the parallelism with out the "that"

Also, would shows the uncertainty+future correctly.

Had implemented (past perfect)

Said (past)

Would (future + uncertainty)

I am finding it difficult to explain the choice of would over will. I will edit If I come up with better explanation


I got E as well.....good explanation.
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Got E as well. Thanks to Daagh, a fellow GMATclub member, you gave a great Q to understand that llsm
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A.

The choice is between A and E. would be is used for a situation which in all likelihood will not be true. Will is the right word to be used to show future action intention
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I feel "E" is the correct answer.
The sentence says health commissioner was quoting whatever the govt had said.

So, from the elementary school grammar, when i want to quote something said by others, the origianl senstence remains the same.
Eg : She said "I will not do the homework".

If the above sentence should be written without quotes, we say.

She said that she would not do the homework.

When quotes are removed, simple present/future tense becomes simple past and
simple past will become past perfect.

Same applies here too.

If we are quoting commissioners exact words, sentence will be as below:
The health commissioner said "The govt implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and, despite the recent illnesses, it will try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future"

But if i want to say what the commissioner said, i'll say it as below
The health commissioner said that the govt had implemented and that it would try to prevent


I went for A. But after reading this explanation (very well done) the answer is E.
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I chose A too :( Props to anithamajj for the detailed explanation.
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New post 14 Dec 2010, 11:40
Also chose E.

Says->will
said-> would

perhaps just intuition.
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