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Hi daagh , please help me check my reasoning!

Many thanks for your response! :P

The J.C. Penney chain of retail stores broke with its conservative cash-and-carry policy during its 1958 reorganization for deciding to sell on credit.

A. during its 1958 reorganization for deciding to sell

--> we want to convey a clear point of time, so 1958 reorganization is ambiguous and in 1958 is better. Furthermore, what does 1958 reorganization mean? Is it 1958 anniversary or 1958 awards...?

B. for the decision at its 1958 reorganization to sell

--> Same error as in A

C. when it was reorganized in 1958 for its decision to sell

--> was reorganized is passive voice, so it was reorganized by someone (e.g Board Of Directors...) , but its decision seems that it decided by itself, not by someone --> illogical

D. in deciding during its reorganization in 1958 to sell

--> no issues --> correct

E. by deciding at its reorganization in 1958 on the selling of

--> on the selling of is wordy and awkward, to sell is better


- I don't necessarily agree with your point "we want to convey a clear point of time". We want to convey something that happened at a past event (the reorg, which took place in 1958). To clarify, 1958 reorg means just that...means a reorg that happened in 1958. please don't pretend like this meaning is ambiguous...I'm not sure where you live but in my personal experience, no one in the U.S. would dare bat an eye if you said this...they'd know exactly what you're talking about.
-- A&B

- i agree w/ your point in (C) re: a meaning change. i would describe it a little bit differently, but the gist is correct.

- i also agree on (E). pretty straightforward.

for the record, i still don't like "D" but it is what it is...
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- I don't necessarily agree with your point "we want to convey a clear point of time". We want to convey something that happened at a past event (the reorg, which took place in 1958). To clarify, 1958 reorg means just that...means a reorg that happened in 1958. please don't pretend like this meaning is ambiguous...I'm not sure where you live but in my personal experience, no one in the U.S. would dare bat an eye if you said this...they'd know exactly what you're talking about.
-- A&B

- i agree w/ your point in (C) re: a meaning change. i would describe it a little bit differently, but the gist is correct.

- i also agree on (E). pretty straightforward.

for the record, i still don't like "D" but it is what it is...


Yeah, the gist is that in 1958 is better than 1958 reorganization :)
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Your reasoning is correct, except that I may add a few nitpicks.
The expression, 'the 1958 reorganization' is dubious. It leads to the argument that there may be a 1959 reorganization or a 1960 reorganization and so on. Second, the expression --its 1958 reorganization for deciding to sell on credit-- implies that the whole exercise of reorganization was intended only to move over to credit sales. This is illogical and is not what the passage intends to convey. We can drop A and B for these considerations also.
C also gives the absurd meaning that the reorganization was undertaken only to decide to sell on credit or (even worse) because it decided to sell on credit.
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daagh wrote:
Your reasoning is correct, except that I may add a few nitpicks.
The expression, 'the 1958 reorganization' is dubious. It leads to the argument that there may be a 1959 reorganization or a 1960 reorganization and so on. Second, the expression --its 1958 reorganization for deciding to sell on credit-- implies that the whole exercise of reorganization was intended only to move over to credit sales. This is illogical and is not what the passage intends to convey. We can drop A and B for these considerations also.
C also gives the absurd meaning that the reorganization was undertaken only to decide to sell on credit or (even worse) because it decided to sell on credit.


Many thanks daagh ;)

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this makes absolutely no sense. why is OA "D"?

I narrowed down to "A" & "B", eventually picking "B". Although looking back at it, I don't like "its 1958 reorganization" -- I think "its reorganization in 1958" is worded better. But is this enough to elim A&B?

I can elim C&E pretty easily. just need an explanation clarifying the correct and incorrect features of A, B and D.


There is no problem with "1958 reorganization" - here is an official question which has such usage:
https://gmatclub.com/forum/a-march-2000 ... ml#p608910

This post explains why D is alright:
https://gmatclub.com/forum/the-j-c-penn ... l#p1822357
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i'm almost positive i saw this in kaplan and OA was D.

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The J.C.Penney chain of retail stores broke with its conservative cash-and-carry policy during its 1958 reorganization for deciding to sell on credit.

A. during its 1958 reorganization for deciding to sell: policy during 1958
B. for the decision at its 1958 reorganization to sell: broke the policy for the decision
C. when it was reorganized in 1958 for its decision to sell: broke & reorganized are in same tense
D. in deciding during its reorganization in 1958 to sell: same as option A
E. by deciding at its reorganization in 1958 on the selling of: same as option A


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IMO Ans is D


This que is inspired from one of the 1000SC que: (Que# 543)

Oberlin College in Ohio was a renegade institution at its 1833 founding for deciding to accept both men and women as students.
(A) at its 1833 founding for deciding to accept
(B) for the decision at its 1833 founding to accept
(C) when it was founded in 1833 for its decision to accept
(D) in deciding at its founding in 1833 to accept
(E) by deciding at its founding in 1833 on the acceptance of

kindly explain


D is the answer. The expression of "at its founding in 1833" is correct.



In this case option D is correct and option C is incorrect because C says " college was founded for a particular decision" which is absurd.....
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Although I think C is correct here, people in the discussion are more towards D.

Can someone from our experts help me get the correct answer and the underlying reasoning for the same?

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Although I think C is correct here, people in the discussion are more towards D.

Can someone from our experts help me get the correct answer and the underlying reasoning for the same?

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Please refer to this post:
https://gmatclub.com/forum/the-j-c-penn ... l#p1822357

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The J.C.Penney chain of retail stores broke with its conservative cash-and-carry policy during its 1958 reorganization for deciding to sell on credit.

A. during its 1958 reorganization for deciding to sell
B. for the decision at its 1958 reorganization to sell
C. when it was reorganized in 1958 for its decision to sell
D. in deciding during its reorganization in 1958 to sell
E. by deciding at its reorganization in 1958 on the selling of


for + VERBing is an ADJECTIVE.
It must serve to modify a NOUN.
A: its reorganization for deciding to sell on credit
Here, for deciding seems to modify reorganization.
Question: What KIND of reorganization?
Answer: a reorganization FOR DECIDING TO SELL ON CREDIT
This meaning is illogical.
Eliminate A.

To break for lunch = to stop working in order to have lunch.
To break for the hills = to run toward to the hills.
B: J.C. Penny broke...for the decision
This meaning is nonsensical.
J.C Penny did not stop working in order to have a decision.
J.C Penny did not run toward the decision.
Eliminate B.
To break for X is a colloquial idiom that is unlikely to appear in an OA on the GMAT.

A party was organized for Mary.
Here, for Mary conveys that MARY BENEFITED from the organization of the party.
C: J.C. Penny...was reorganized...for its decision
Here, for its decision implies that the DECISION BENEFITED from the reorganization.
This meaning is nonsensical.
Eliminate C.

E: the selling of on credit
Here, on credit is a MODIFIER and thus cannot serve as the object of the preposition of.
Generally, the object of a preposition must be a noun or noun phrase.
Eliminate E.


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