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The loan company announced it would soon lend money to borrowers with proven records of their not paying back their loans on time, collectively known as the subprime lending market.

A - of their not paying back their loans on time,
B - of not paying back their loans on time, a group
C - of not paying back their loans on time, with such a group
D - that they do not pay back their loans on time,
E - that they do not pay back their loans on time, such a group




Please share your thoughts on the use of group and collectively together. Is it ok to use them together, I think both words convey the same meaning in this context.
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New post 07 Mar 2010, 06:30
A is simply clumsy
C & E are wordy
In D that they do not pay back their loans on time, collectively doesn't make any sense to me
Hence B
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Please share your thoughts on the use of group and collectively together.

well imo there is no need for collectively after a group ; but in gmat u cant doubt oa;here since collective is in non underlined part we cannot question on its usage;further among the choices only B stands right
a) two their is redundant
b)seems correct
c)meaning altered
d)in whole the s/c is wrong
e)comma splice error
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New post 07 Mar 2010, 09:52
Like me, I think you go by the ear, but for the TEST I would rather prefer to change this approach.

You chose the right answer.
OA is B.

I got confused with the use of group and collectively, sounds like ellipsis. But, in GMAT, we need to choose the better option, it may not be the best option always !
In this case, all others have grammatical mistakes.
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can somebody explain your reasoning when ellimination the answer
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The loan company announced it would soon lend money to borrowers with proven records of their not paying back their loans on time, collectively known as the subprime lending market.

A.Of their not paying back their loans on time, [awkward]
B.Of not paying back their loans on time, a group [Most economy & correct]
C.Of not paying back their loans on time, with such a group [awkward]
D.That they do not pay back their loans on time, [They does not have proper antecedent]
E.That they do not pay back their loans on time, such a group [They does not have proper antecedent]
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I agree to the above explanations but my doubt is "Shouldn't the preposition "of" be followed by a noun?"
Does "not paying back" plays the role of a noun?
Experts please let me know if I am missing something here.
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I agree to the above explanations but my doubt is "Shouldn't the preposition "of" be followed by a noun?"
Does "not paying back" plays the role of a noun?
Experts please let me know if I am missing something here.


Hi @Marcab,
The answer to your question is yes. The phrase “not paying their loans on time” is playing the role of a noun. Let’s take a few simple sentences to understand the structure of this official sentence.
1. Akbar is known for giving equal importance to all religions.
2. Birbal has the record of solving all the riddles presented to him.
3. Birbal has the record of not leaving any riddle unsolved.
In all the above three sentences, the entities after the preposition is a noun phrase. Note that “giving”, “solving”, and “solving” are gerunds – the words that suggest action but act as nouns. Adding “not” does not change their roles. The presented official sentence follows the same structure:
The loan company announced it would soon lend money to borrowers with proven records of not paying back their loans on time, a group collectively known as the subprime lending market.
Here “not paying back their loans on time” is acting as a noun.

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Thanks Shraddha.
Never knew that "not" paying back can also become a noun.
This explanation indeed has helped.
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Can someone help understand why "a group collectively known..." is not a redundancy?

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The loan company announced it would soon lend money to borrowers with proven records of their not paying back their loans on time, collectively known as the subprime lending market.
This sentence has 2 errors.
Pronoun Usage: The pronoun “their” refers to “borrowers”. The pronoun or antecedent is not required at this location. Lets see the sentence with the antecedent:
The loan company will soon lend money to borrowers with proven records of borrowers’ not paying back their loans on time.
The expression “borrower’s not paying back” is incorrect.This should be corrected by simply deleting this occurrence of “their”. The sentence will make complete sense if it states – with proven records of not paying their loans”
Modifier Error: The modifier – collectively known as – is a verb-ed modifier. This modifier appears to modify the preceding noun – time. But this modification is non-sensical since “time is not known as subprime lending market”.
This can be corrected by changing the nature of modifier. Note that the modifier is worded such that it adds to the idea of the preceding clause. This clause talks about an action that is then named in this modifier. – subprime lending market. Thus, the modifier should be reworded as the modifier than can modify the preceding clause.

In D and E, record that is not idiomatic. The correct idiom is record of. Eliminate D and E.
In A, it is unclear what is being modified by collectively known. Eliminate A.

In C, it is unclear what is being modified by with such a group. Eliminate C.
The correct answer is B
In B, a group collectively known is in apposition to the the borrowers. Apposition is a structure in which two nouns are placed side by side; the purpose of the second noun is to define or modify the first. In the SC above, a group tells us more about the borrowers.
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The loan company announced it would soon lend money to borrowers with proven records of their not paying back their loans on time, collectively known as the subprime lending market.

A - of their not paying back their loans on time, -- Modifier issue -- collectively known as .. market appears to modify the preceding noun – time. But this modification is non-sensical since “time is not known as subprime lending market”. ; pronoun their -- refers to borrowers , The expression “borrower’s not paying back” is incorrect.This should be corrected by simply deleting this occurrence of “their”. The sentence will make complete sense if it states – with proven records of not paying their loans”
B - of not paying back their loans on time, a group - Correct
C - of not paying back their loans on time, with such a group - It is not clear what the modifier “with such a group” modifies. In other words, it is not clear “who” or “what” is “with such a group”.
D - that they do not pay back their loans on time, -- undiomatic -- records that ... ; modifier issue -- same as A
E - that they do not pay back their loans on time, such a group -- undiomatic


Answer B

AjiteshArun , mikemcgarry ,daagh , egmat , GMATNinja , sayantanc2k , RonPurewal , other experts -- don't we need a that after announced here?

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Is it ok in sentence correction to choose answers with new words not in the original sentence ?
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Is it ok in sentence correction to choose answers with new words not in the original sentence ?


Hi Sager,

Yes, as far as it is not changing the intended meaning.

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don't we need a that after announced here?

The loan company announced that it would soon lend money to borrowers with proven records

Dear Skywalker18,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

This is a funny thing about official questions. GMAT official questions are perhaps the most rigorously tested questions in the world: each one has been used on the GMAT thousands of times, and so has a mountain of data behind it verifying its quality.

There is some variability in the quality--after all, the instruction is not to find the ideal answer but merely the best of five. Furthermore, sometimes a gross breach of GMAT SC standards occurs in an unrelated part of the non-underlined portion. Most people taking the test would focus exclusively on the underlined section and would validate the question based on that portion. If someone gets distracted by the absent "that" during the test, that would make it marginally more likely that this student would get the question wrong. In a way, that mistake can act as a distractor.

So, yes, of course the most formal and proper way to write this would be
The loan company announced that it would soon lend money to borrowers with proven records . . .
Absolutely, that would be the best.

What this particular official question has in the non-underlined portion is less than ideal. Don't let this fluster you. Don't allow yourself to spend intellectual or emotional energy on this point. Don't allow yourself to be distracted. Just accept it and move it.

Does all this make sense?
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The loan company announced it would soon lend money to borrowers with proven records of their not paying back their loans on time, collectively known as the subprime lending market.

A - of their not paying back their loans on time,
B - of not paying back their loans on time, a group
C - of not paying back their loans on time, with such a group
D - that they do not pay back their loans on time,
E - that they do not pay back their loans on time, such a group




Please share your thoughts on the use of group and collectively together. Is it ok to use them together, I think both words convey the same meaning in this context.


look at choice e.
"such a group " is wrong. the word "group" must be appear somewhere to make "such" right. if there is no word "group", "such" is wrong.
"a group" in b is correct because it refers to "borrowers". " the borrowers are a group" is correct.
"a group of hopeless borrowers come to banks, such a group good persons" is correct.
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