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The new “e-waste” salvage company collects electronic waste items, such as old cellular telephones and broken personal music players, discarding them as trash, to transport them to state facilities for recycling.

A players, discarding them as trash, to transport
B players, that have been discarded as trash and transports
C players that are discarded, as trash in order to transport
D players, which have been discarded as trash and transport
E players, that are discarded as trash and transport

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The new “e-waste” salvage company collects electronic waste items, such as old cellular telephones and broken personal music players, discarding them as trash, to transport them to state facilities for recycling.

A players, discarding them as trash, to transport
B players, that have been discarded as trash and transports
C players that are discarded, as trash in order to transport
D players, which have been discarded as trash and transport
E players, that are discarded as trash and transport

.... Please provide detail explaination....


Option A is wrong because the salvage company is collecting salvage items {collects X such as...... , verb ing(discarding)}. Here it means that the salvage company is discarding the electronic items, whereas the intended meaning is items that have been discarded is being collected and sent to state facilities for recycling.....hope this helps.


Thanks for the explaination, your explaination provides why option A and C are wrong (both give nonsencial meaning). However, Which among B, D and E whih one is correct and why?


If you analyze the question properly even the option B is incorrect! There shouldnt have been a comma before "that" in option B.

A and C have been discussed. Lets check other statementes one by one-

The new “e-waste” salvage company collects electronic waste items, such as old cellular telephones and broken personal music players, discarding them as trash, to transport them to state facilities for recycling.

B players, that have been discarded as trash and transports
-In this sentence the comma before "that" is incorrect
D players, which have been discarded as trash and transport
-company collects and trasport? Very obvious SV error. dont even need to analyze further the correctnes of modifier etc.
E players, that are discarded as trash and transport
Same error as D.

Ans B is best among given choices and could have been ideal if comma was not there.
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The new “e-waste” salvage company collects electronic waste items, such as old cellular telephones and broken personal music players, discarding them as trash, to transport them to state facilities for recycling.

A players, discarding them as trash, to transport
B players, that have been discarded as trash and transports
C players that are discarded, as trash in order to transport
D players, which have been discarded as trash and transport
E players, that are discarded as trash and transport

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The new “e-waste” salvage company collects electronic waste items, such as old cellular telephones and broken personal music

A: wrong.Discarding here means to say that the company is discarding the electronic items. This changes the meaning of the sentence.
B:wrong. You cannot have a comma before that.
C:wrong. There are two verbs in the clause "that are discarded, as trash in order to transport" which are not properly connected in a sentence. You need to have either and,or etc. to connect the two verbs. Or You can say "transporting" instead of "to transport".
D:wrong. SV agreement error. Company needs a singular verb tranports.
E:wrong. You cannot have a comma before that.

B would have been correct if there was no comma before that.


I mentioned above that "that" cannot come after a comma, but there is a special case when this is correct. The case in B is that case so B is the correct option.
The usage of that is correct in the following case, when that is follows a noun-modifier.:
Noun,noun-modifier,that clause

Please check this link for the complete explanation: http://e-gmat.com/blogs/?p=575

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Btw, I found an article regarding the precedence of "that" with a "comma".
According to MGMAT, when a short non-essential phrase intervenes and is set off by commas, then such a construction is needed.
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If you have MGMAT SC 5ED, then its given on page number 239.
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If you analyze the question properly even the option B is incorrect! There shouldnt have been a comma before "that" in option B.

A and C have been discussed. Lets check other statementes one by one-

The new “e-waste” salvage company collects electronic waste items, such as old cellular telephones and broken personal music players, discarding them as trash, to transport them to state facilities for recycling.

B players, that have been discarded as trash and transports
-In this sentence the comma before "that" is incorrect
D players, which have been discarded as trash and transport
-company collects and trasport? Very obvious SV error. dont even need to analyze further the correctnes of modifier etc.
E players, that are discarded as trash and transport
Same error as D.

Ans B is best among given choices and could have been ideal if comma was not there.[/quote]

Hii vips,
I have a slight disagreement over what you said regarding comma usage with "that".
1) comma along with that can't stand in situations such as relative clause
2) comma along with that can stand in situations where that is part of a modifier. If you remove the context between the two commas, the sentence can stand equally well.
By the way, moving to the question, first thing that should strike one's mind is parallelism. TRANSPORT should be "transports", which is parallel to "collects", as per SVA.
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I don't completely see your point but in GMAT we only have to choose from given options. Any sentence can be made better or ideal using some structure which may not be given in options. We don't/shouldn't count them. I agree that if the sentence would have been:
[clause 1,and clause 2]: The new “e-waste” salvage company collects electronic waste items, such as old cellular telephones and broken personal music players, as trash and it transports them to state facilities for recycling.
This sentence is clear and easy to understand.
But as discussed above and presented on e-gmat's links: questions is trying to test our understanding of different structure:
Noun, noun-modifier, that clause.
Here generally comma+that clause doesn't sit well but as Marcab mentioned if the modifer between the comma-splice is NON-ESSENTIAL that directly corresponds to noun before the modifier (this structure is being tested here!!!).

Finally, i would add that comma+co-ordinating conjunction (such as FANBOY - for/and/nor/but/or/yet) are used to connect INDEPENDENT clause and not just any clause. So in your structure clause1 and clause2 both should be IC.

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Thanks a lot..Friend..for this .It really helped a lot..

I agree that B seems to be the best of the 5 options... But it will be of great help if you could clarify this small doubt of mine...

By saying that clause1, modifier, and clause 2
I meant that option B should have been players, that have been discarded as trash, and transports

Yes I agree that that has here been used as a non essential modifier
But just see the following sentence

The boy, who is standing at the door, is my brother

Here who is a non essential modifier. In this sentence the Noun modifier who is standing at the door is placed separately BETWEEN 2 COMMAS AND CAN BE EASILY DISTINGUISHED IN THE WHOLE SENTENCE. Also we now get the sense of the sentence even by skipping this clause and reading the remaining sentence as The boy is my brother

Furthermore, In the question that have been discarded as trash is a noun modifier that actually modifies the players
And I MAY BE WRONG HERE but if we dont put comma (,) before and the noun modifier that have been discarded as trash appears to mix with the main sentence and

The whole sentence would look like
The new “e-waste” salvage company collects electronic waste items, such as old cellular telephones and broken personal music players, that have been discarded as trash and transports them to state facilities for recycling.

Now we could not differentiate between the 2 main identities which we are talking about i.e. the collection of electronic wastes and transporting them.

Because the noun modifier which was earlier distinctive and clear is no more clear as it was....

I know there may be flaws in my approach and understanding of the rule here. But I hope you help me in getting this concept clear

I hope you get my doubt now..

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The construction of option B is NOT Clause 1 , AND Clause 2.

If there were two clauses, then the construction would be:
The salvage company collects, and IT transports. ( 2 clauses are added by "and", comma required)

There is only one clause with 2 parallel verbs:
The salvage company collects and transports. (2 verbs are added by "and", no comma )

Add modifier 1: such as old cellular telephones and broken personal music players (non-essential modifier)
Add modifier 2: that have been discarded as trash (essential modifier referring to "electronic waste items" - this is an exception of the modifier touch rule).

So the complete construction is:
Subject + verb1 + object +, non-essential modifier, + essential modifier referring to object + verb 2.

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The new “e-waste” salvage company collects electronic waste items, such as old cellular telephones and broken personal music players, discarding them as trash, to transport them to state facilities for recycling.

A players, discarding them as trash, to transport
B players, that have been discarded as trash and transports
C players that are discarded, as trash in order to transport
D players, which have been discarded as trash and transport
E players, that are discarded as trash and transport

.... Please provide detail explaination....


Option A is wrong because the salvage company is collecting salvage items {collects X such as...... , verb ing(discarding)}. Here it means that the salvage company is discarding the electronic items, whereas the intended meaning is items that have been discarded is being collected and sent to state facilities for recycling.....hope this helps.

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The new “e-waste” salvage company collects electronic waste items, such as old cellular telephones and broken personal music players, discarding them as trash, to transport them to state facilities for recycling.

A players, discarding them as trash, to transport
B players, that have been discarded as trash and transports
C players that are discarded, as trash in order to transport
D players, which have been discarded as trash and transport
E players, that are discarded as trash and transport

.... Please provide detail explaination....


Option A is wrong because the salvage company is collecting salvage items {collects X such as...... , verb ing(discarding)}. Here it means that the salvage company is discarding the electronic items, whereas the intended meaning is items that have been discarded is being collected and sent to state facilities for recycling.....hope this helps.


Thanks for the explaination, your explaination provides why option A and C are wrong (both give nonsencial meaning). However, Which among B, D and E whih one is correct and why?
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The new “e-waste” salvage company collects electronic waste items, such as old cellular telephones and broken personal music players, discarding them as trash, to transport them to state facilities for recycling.

A players, discarding them as trash, to transport
B players, that have been discarded as trash and transports
C players that are discarded, as trash in order to transport
D players, which have been discarded as trash and transport
E players, that are discarded as trash and transport

.... Please provide detail explaination....


Option A is wrong because the salvage company is collecting salvage items {collects X such as...... , verb ing(discarding)}. Here it means that the salvage company is discarding the electronic items, whereas the intended meaning is items that have been discarded is being collected and sent to state facilities for recycling.....hope this helps.



Thanks for the explaination, your explaination provides why option A and C are wrong (both give nonsencial meaning). However, Which among B, D and E whih one is correct and why?

B- Correct
C-there is no verb
D & E-plural verb transport instead of transports.
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The new “e-waste” salvage company collects electronic waste items, such as old cellular telephones and broken personal music players, discarding them as trash, to transport them to state facilities for recycling.

A players, discarding them as trash, to transport
B players, that have been discarded as trash and transports
C players that are discarded, as trash in order to transport
D players, which have been discarded as trash and transport
E players, that are discarded as trash and transport

.... Please provide detail explaination....


RED= verb BLUE = subject
The new “e-waste” salvage company collects electronic waste items, such as old cellular telephones and broken personal music

A: wrong.Discarding here means to say that the company is discarding the electronic items. This changes the meaning of the sentence.
B:wrong. You cannot have a comma before that.
C:wrong. There are two verbs in the clause "that are discarded, as trash in order to transport" which are not properly connected in a sentence. You need to have either and,or etc. to connect the two verbs. Or You can say "transporting" instead of "to transport".
D:wrong. SV agreement error. Company needs a singular verb tranports.
E:wrong. You cannot have a comma before that.

B would have been correct if there was no comma before that.

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Hii vips,
I have a slight disagreement over what you said regarding comma usage with "that".
1) comma along with that can't stand in situations such as relative clause
2) comma along with that can stand in situations where that is part of a modifier. If you remove the context between the two commas, the sentence can stand equally well.
By the way, moving to the question, first thing that should strike one's mind is parallelism. TRANSPORT should be "transports", which is parallel to "collects", as per SVA.
Hope that helps.


Hi Marcab,
Thanks for your feedback - however if you notice, 1. a relative clause is also a modifier. 2. In this question 'that' is used as part of relative clause only.
Therefore, I stand my ground - B is the best among given choices, but the B would have been ideal had the comma not been there.
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Hii vips,
I have a slight disagreement over what you said regarding comma usage with "that".
1) comma along with that can't stand in situations such as relative clause
2) comma along with that can stand in situations where that is part of a modifier. If you remove the context between the two commas, the sentence can stand equally well.
By the way, moving to the question, first thing that should strike one's mind is parallelism. TRANSPORT should be "transports", which is parallel to "collects", as per SVA.
Hope that helps.


Hi Marcab,
Thanks for your feedback - however if you notice, 1. a relative clause is also a modifier. 2. In this question 'that' is used as part of relative clause only.
Therefore, I stand my ground - B is the best among given choices, but the B would have been ideal had the comma not been there.
Hope it is clear.


hey vips.
Many thanks for the reply.
Regarding the explanation you gave me just now, I totally with you and to your explanation that if "that" is in a relative clause then it can't be preceded by a comma.
But not to forget that we can easily remove the context with the two commas and hence remove the precedence of "that" with a comma.
Your explanation had been correct, if "that" modified "players" BUT since its modifying "trash" then "that" is correct in such usage.
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Hii Vips. How are you doing?
Btw, I found an article regarding the precedence of "that" with a "comma".
According to MGMAT, when a short non-essential phrase intervenes and is set off by commas, then such a construction is needed.
Ex-Our system of Presidential elections favors states, such as Delaware, that by population are over-represented in the Electoral College.
If you have MGMAT SC 5ED, then its given on page number 239.
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Hii Vips. How are you doing?
Btw, I found an article regarding the precedence of "that" with a "comma".
According to MGMAT, when a short non-essential phrase intervenes and is set off by commas, then such a construction is needed.
Ex-Our system of Presidential elections favors states, such as Delaware, that by population are over-represented in the Electoral College.
If you have MGMAT SC 5ED, then its given on page number 239.
Hope that helps.
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Choice B

Collects and Transports - Parallel
Its the electronic waste itmes that have been discarded as trash - Right usage

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The NYS Electronic Equipment Recycling and Reuse Act (PDF) (39 kB), to provide free and convenient recycling of electronic waste to most consumers in the state. Consumers eligible for free convenient recycling include individuals, for-profit businesses, corporations with less than 50 full time employees with less than 75 full time employees, not for profit corporation designated under section 501(c)(3) of the internal revenue code, school, or governmental entity located in NYS.

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If you analyze the question properly even the option B is incorrect! There shouldnt have been a comma before "that" in option B.


That's exactly what I'm thinking. I picked B because the "e waste" salvage company must go with singular verb "transports". Only B is correct except the comma before "that".
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