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# The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious

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07 Apr 2017, 13:37
My 2 cents:
NOTE: Phrases “during the month of the festival” and “for the month of the festival” mean separate things.
“during the month of the festival” – something was done during the month of festival. HERE WE DON’T KNOW WHEN THAT something WILL END!!!

“for the month of the festival” – something was solely done for the duration of festival month. HERE WE DO KNOW WHEN THAT something WILL END!!!

So in options C and E change the meaning of the sentence.
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My 2 cents:
NOTE: Phrases “during the month of the festival” and “for the month of the festival” mean separate things.
“during the month of the festival” – something was done during the month of festival. HERE WE DON’T KNOW WHEN THAT something WILL END!!!

“for the month of the festival” – something was solely done for the duration of festival month. HERE WE DO KNOW WHEN THAT something WILL END!!!

So in options C and E change the meaning of the sentence.

Not necessarily - "I have enough stock for this month.". This sentence does not imply that the stock will end at the end of this month.
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10 Apr 2017, 08:13
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manishtank1988 wrote:
My 2 cents:
NOTE: Phrases “during the month of the festival” and “for the month of the festival” mean separate things.
“during the month of the festival” – something was done during the month of festival. HERE WE DON’T KNOW WHEN THAT something WILL END!!!

“for the month of the festival” – something was solely done for the duration of festival month. HERE WE DO KNOW WHEN THAT something WILL END!!!

So in options C and E change the meaning of the sentence.

Not necessarily - "I have enough stock for this month.". This sentence does not imply that the stock will end at the end of this month.

sayantanc2k
But atleast while comparing the meaning of the sentence - these phrases don't change the meaning at all?
May be i am looking into this too much but i think atleast there is some change in the meaning - the meaning i mentioned above may not be accurate but at least there is some change - am i wrong here?
Please let me know, what you think...
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19 May 2017, 01:07
The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states of the Greek world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month.

(A) world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month
(B) world, proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month
(C) world when they proclaimed a sacred truce for the festival month
(D) world, for a sacred truce was proclaimed during the month of the festival
(E) world by proclamation of a sacred truce that was for the month of the festival

Why is B wrong along with that can you explain why E is wrong is that because it is used in passive voice or is there any other reason?
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One very apparent error in option E is sacred truce <that was> for the month of the festival.

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The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states of the Greek world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month.

(A) world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month - "festivals month" is incorrect, "month of the festival" is needed.. "festivals month" implies that festival possesses the month and since its an inanimate object, possessive must not be used
(B) world, proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month - "proclaiming" verbing means that "proclaiming" should fit with the subject of the previous clause "olympic games" but "olympic games proclaiming" something makes no sense + "festivals month" see A
(C) world when they proclaimed a sacred truce for the festival month - what is the "they" referring to
(D) world, for a sacred truce was proclaimed during the month of the festival - BEST CHOICE "for a sacred..." is the cause for the effect "the olympic games helped to keep.." + "for" means the same as "because" and is more concise than "in that"
(E) world by proclamation of a sacred truce that was for the month of the festival - "that was" awkward + sounds like "olympic games" did the "proclamation"
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21 Jun 2017, 10:06
B seems to be trap answer .
In B proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month implies that Olympic games proclaimed the truce which is nonsensical.
Am i correct?
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21 Jun 2017, 12:16
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B seems to be trap answer .
In B proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month implies that Olympic games proclaimed the truce which is nonsensical.
Am i correct?

Hello arvind910619,

Yes, you are correct in your analysis of Choice B.

Also the phrase festival's month is incorrect because this phrase seems to suggest that the month belonged to the festival. This is again nonsensical. The correct phrase the month of the festival conveys the logical meaning.

Hope this helps.
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21 Jun 2017, 21:36
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B seems to be trap answer .
In B proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month implies that Olympic games proclaimed the truce which is nonsensical.
Am i correct?

Hi arvind910619, yeah indeed and this is so subtle. Very good catch!

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11 Jul 2017, 23:27
,Fanboys is the reason choice d is correct.

Both the clauses are independent in the sense that their existence as a sentence alone is not dependent on the other.Thus, to connect 2 independent clauses, use of (,Fanboys) is needed.
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The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states of the Greek world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month.

(A) world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month ==> Festivals month is incorrect usage as festival is inanimate object and hence we should avoid possessive.

(B) world, proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month ==> "Proclaiming" incorrectly modifying the previous clause which changes the meaning of the sentence, and the same error as the incorrect usage of festival's month.

(C) world when they proclaimed a sacred truce for the festival month ==> "They" refers to whom here? “the pugnacious states” or “the Olympic Games”? - Usage is ambiguous.

(D) world, for a sacred truce was proclaimed during the month of the festival = CORRECT

(E) world by proclamation of a sacred truce that was for the month of the festival ==> Changes the meaning of the sentence

Hence, D
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The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states of the Greek world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month.

(A) world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month
(B) world, proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month
(C) world when they proclaimed a sacred truce for the festival month
(D) world, for a sacred truce was proclaimed during the month of the festival
(E) world by proclamation of a sacred truce that was for the month of the festival

Hi egmat,

Can you elaborate more on the difference between : during the month of the festival AND for the month of the festival? As per my understanding I think both convey the same meaning.

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The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states of the Greek world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month.

(A) world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month
As per OG explanation, “in that” is overly formal and stilted, and therefore, ‘for’ should be preferred over the same.
Also, “festival’s month” is an informal way of saying the idea “the month of the festival”. On GMAT, we should prefer the latter way.

(B) world, proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month
“proclaiming” is a verb-ing modifier following a clause and preceded by a comma. Therefore, it acts as a clause modifier. However, it doesn’t make sense with the subject of the preceding clause. The Games cannot proclaim anything!

Also, “month of the festival” is preferred over “festival’s month”.

(C) world when they proclaimed a sacred truce for the festival month
There is no antecedent of “they”. “they” cannot logically refer to ‘Olympic Games’. Also, “month of the festival” is preferred over “festival month”.

(D) world, for a sacred truce was proclaimed during the month of the festival
CORRECT. For is used as BECAUSE over here. Other Examples include,

I was tired, for I had played cricket throughout the day..
I was very happy with her, for she supported me in all situations..
I gave few examples on usage of 'for', for smartyguy wanted clarity on the usage..

(E) world by proclamation of a sacred truce that was for the month of the festival
Like option B, this option also indicates that the Olympic Games did the proclamation! (Here "By proclamation" refers to the subject of the sentence -- The Olympic Games similar to the VERB-ING modifier in option B)

Also, this option distorts the meaning of the sentence. This option means that the sacred truce was always for the month of the festival which is NON-SENSICAL (as this information is presented by using a ‘that’ clause modifying ‘sacred truce’). Per the intended meaning it was "during the month of the festival."
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The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states of the Greek world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month.

(A) world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival’s month
(B) world, proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month
(C) world when they proclaimed a sacred truce for the festival month
(D) world, for a sacred truce was proclaimed during the month of the festival
(E) world by proclamation of a sacred truce that was for the month of the festival

A: world in that? what are we saying here.
B: what was proclaimed? olympic games? No
C: when? wrong usage. when modifies time
D: perfectly modifies the pugnacious states of the greek. Correct
E: by proclamation? Verb over noun. Wrong
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01 Feb 2018, 15:42
In my modest opinion, only options C or E make sense if you look at the meaning of the sentence, as they rightfully point out that the truce is proclaimed FOR the month of the festival and not during the month of the festival.

Saying that the truce was proclaimed during the month of the festival is incorrect, as the truce was proclaimed before the festival month, but it was only valid for duration of festival month.
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The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states of the Greek world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival's month.

I'm happy to help with this.
This is GMAT SC #60 in the OG13.

(A) world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival's month
The OG feels that the phrase "in that" is somewhat stilted and over-formal. It does use two words where one would suffice. This one is not black & white wrong, but more a shade of gray. If all the other answers were clearly wrong, this probably could pass as a correct anwer.

(B) world, proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month
Misplaced modifier. The world isn't "proclaiming", so who is? The games? the states? The GMAT doesn't like ambiguity. Also, this sentence has two distinct actions, so it would be best phrased as two full [noun] + [verb] clauses, and this option casts the second half of the sentence as a participial phrase rather than as a clause. This is wrong.

(C) world when they proclaimed a sacred truce for the festival month
A pronoun with unclear antecedent --- does "they" mean the states? the games? the people of Greece (not mentioned explicitly --- another no-no for antecedents on the GMAT!). The antecedent of the pronoun "they" is ambiguity. On GMAT SC, ambiguity = death. This is wrong.

(D) world, for a sacred truce was proclaimed during the month of the festival
Very clear. We have two full clauses, joined by the conjunction "for" (which means "because"), thus making clear the causal link between the two actions. This is sleek, efficient, and direct ---- a very strong answer.

(E) world by proclamation of a sacred truce that was for the month of the festival
A winner of the flabby awkward Olympics! This changes the verb "proclaimed" to a noun "proclamation", and almost invariably, this is the GMAT's strategy for changing a correct answer into a wrong answer. Whenever a verb is re-written as a noun, that almost always makes the sentence more awkward, less direct, and more wordy --- that's exactly what we have here. This version is an unholy abomination that should be taken out back and shot. This is incorrect.

Again, if everything else failed, we might go with (A) in a pinch, but here, (D) is a much stronger answer --- clearly (D) is the best possible answer here.

Mike

HI,

In the option A, it indicates that the truce was proclaimed during in the games. However in the option D it doesnt say so. So can this choice be right ?
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mikemcgarry wrote:
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The Olympic Games helped to keep peace among the pugnacious states of the Greek world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival's month.

I'm happy to help with this.
This is GMAT SC #60 in the OG13.

(A) world in that a sacred truce was proclaimed during the festival's month
The OG feels that the phrase "in that" is somewhat stilted and over-formal. It does use two words where one would suffice. This one is not black & white wrong, but more a shade of gray. If all the other answers were clearly wrong, this probably could pass as a correct anwer.

(B) world, proclaiming a sacred truce during the festival’s month
Misplaced modifier. The world isn't "proclaiming", so who is? The games? the states? The GMAT doesn't like ambiguity. Also, this sentence has two distinct actions, so it would be best phrased as two full [noun] + [verb] clauses, and this option casts the second half of the sentence as a participial phrase rather than as a clause. This is wrong.

(C) world when they proclaimed a sacred truce for the festival month
A pronoun with unclear antecedent --- does "they" mean the states? the games? the people of Greece (not mentioned explicitly --- another no-no for antecedents on the GMAT!). The antecedent of the pronoun "they" is ambiguity. On GMAT SC, ambiguity = death. This is wrong.

(D) world, for a sacred truce was proclaimed during the month of the festival
Very clear. We have two full clauses, joined by the conjunction "for" (which means "because"), thus making clear the causal link between the two actions. This is sleek, efficient, and direct ---- a very strong answer.

(E) world by proclamation of a sacred truce that was for the month of the festival
A winner of the flabby awkward Olympics! This changes the verb "proclaimed" to a noun "proclamation", and almost invariably, this is the GMAT's strategy for changing a correct answer into a wrong answer. Whenever a verb is re-written as a noun, that almost always makes the sentence more awkward, less direct, and more wordy --- that's exactly what we have here. This version is an unholy abomination that should be taken out back and shot. This is incorrect.

Again, if everything else failed, we might go with (A) in a pinch, but here, (D) is a much stronger answer --- clearly (D) is the best possible answer here.

Mike

HI,

In the option A, it indicates that the truce was proclaimed during in the games. However in the option D it doesnt say so. So can this choice be right ?

Hi coolnaren

Choice A says that there was peace during the month in which the games were held. (This is the same meaning that Choice D gives us, albeit in a slightly better construction.) However, you have shared that that choice A conveys that peace or truce was proclaimed during the games themselves. So, there seems to be a gap in the understanding here. Could you please take a look at choice A again and check whether you misread any of the portions?

Cheers!

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11 Jun 2018, 03:43
???festival???s month??? is not idiomatic as mentioned by egmat
whereas mikemcgarry mentioned in that is less preferred so option A is rejected

I would like to know is festival's month is unidiomatic or idiomatic?
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