jabhatta2 wrote:
AnthonyRitz wrote:
"the end of a period of hostilities" remains ambiguous. Does it mean the last part of the period, or does it mean the fact that the period is/was ended? The ambiguity alone makes this wrong. You're going to have a really hard time finding a sentence in which "the end of a period" isn't at least a little bit unclear. But also, I would tend to assume that "the end of a period" is the last part of the period, and if it is truly the last part of the period of hostilities, I would expect it to increase the deaths, or at least maintain the high death rate, since, after all, it is still one portion of a period of hostilities.
"the coming to an end of a period of hostilities" means the fact that the period is/was ended. It's clear. I would expect that "the coming to an end of a period of hostilities" would decrease the deaths, since it is, again, the fact that the period is/was ended.
Hi
AnthonyRitz - thank you for your response
Afraid - don't see why the yellow is ambigous.
The "the end of a period of hostilities" in the WW2 example is referring to May 12th 1945 (not
may 11th 1945 nor
may 13th 1945)
"the coming to an end of a period of hostilities" refers to the period of 5 months (
Jan 1st 1945 -
May 12th 1945)
Both periods (
May 12th 1945) or (
Jan 1st 1945 - May 12th 1945) can infuence the number of deaths IMO
I disagree with your take on both of these. "the end" could be "the fact that it ended" or "the last day of the period" or even "the last months or year or whatever of the period." The dictionary defines "end" as "a final part of something, especially a period of time, an activity, or a story." There's no further specification of how big of a part it might be.
Imagine this is a rope:
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How much is "the end of the rope"?
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If I say "grab on to the end of the rope" but you grab here
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... did you fail to do what I asked? I don't think so.
What if I had imagined the rope as being subdivided into smaller sections?
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Now you're holding this. Is it no longer the end of the rope, because I decided to imagine the rope as a bunch of half-inch segments instead of a bunch of inch segments? (I mean, how do you know whether "the end of the period of hostilities" is the last day, the last year, the last second, or whatever?)
In fact, I'd even be okay with you grabbing something like this:
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How far is too far to still be "the end"? It's unclear, context-dependent, and probably subjective.
And then of course, in any case, it's still part of the rope. In the same way, the "end of a period of hostilities" is still part of a period of hostilities. It may be the last little bit, but it's still a segment of time during which the war is taking place and people are dying. The last part of the war wouldn't be something that I would expect to reduce deaths.
Moving on, I think your latter interpretation is backwards. This bit:
Quote:
"the coming to an end of a period of hostilities" refers to the period of 5 months (Jan 1st 1945 - May 12th 1945)
The dictionary says that "coming" means "an arrival or approach." In "coming to an end" we mean "arrival" to an end. Why would "the coming to an end" refer to a period of five months? How did we get that it has to be the whole year up until the last day of the war? I don't see any basis for that. In fact, "the coming to an end" isn't any part of the war at all. It's the fact that the war ended. You can't point to it on the rope, because it's not any part of the rope. It's not even something you can point to at all, since it's an abstract concept (even more so than war or time periods are). But "the fact that the war ended," abstract though it may be, can definitely reduce the death rate.
"The coming to an end of the rope is why I couldn't tie a bigger knot" is just a weird way of saying "The fact that the rope ended is why I couldn't tie a bigger knot."