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Try this one!! :-D
The restructuring agency explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found any feasible solution to the problems faced by the company.
A) explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found
B) had explored several alternatives, which includes complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found
C) explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, did not found
D) has explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found
E) has explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, did not not found


I would like to put up one question for everyone.

The United States attacked Iraq, claiming that the latter possessed WMDs, but the former has not found any of them till date.

This sentence is analogous to answer choice A. What is wrong with A?
Why D is better than A as per the given OA?

Fameatop...I will really appreciate if you provide us the OE as well in addition to the source of the question.
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Hi Marcab,

If i say "Ram went to the market, but has not come back home".

Will the above sentence be correct??

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That depends on the meaning you need to imply.
Here the sentence you listed is incorrect in that Ram is already in the market. How? It is already mentioned in the latter part of the sentence.
But is it the same in the status quo?
NO! We cant deduce the current situation.
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That depends on the meaning you need to imply.
Here the sentence you listed is incorrect in that Ram is already in the market. How? It is already mentioned in the latter part of the sentence.
But is it the same in the status quo?
NO! We cant deduce the current situation.
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Hi Marcab,

"The United States attacked Iraq, claiming that the latter possessed WMDs, but the former has not found any of them till date."

Now, the attacking part happened somewhere in the past and the effect of not finding something is still there in the present.

"the former has not found any of them till date".
If you are using "has", then "till date" should be removed as "has" already signifies that the effect of the action is still there in the present.

"The United States attacked Iraq, claiming that the latter possessed WMDs, but the former has not found any of them."

If i say,
"The United States attacked Iraq, claiming that the latter possessed WMDs, but the former did not find any of them till date."

This usage is also correct, as it shows the intended meaning of the sentence.

Please correct me if i am wrong.

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Try this one!! :-D
The restructuring agency explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found any feasible solution to the problems faced by the company.
A) explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found
B) had explored several alternatives, which includes complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found
C) explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, did not found
D) has explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found
E) has explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, did not not found


Yes, IMO you are right.
Coming back to the question listed by Fame, the current state is " not found" right?
Now if I use "has" in both the clauses, it would imply that both the actions took place now. There will be no proper sequencing of events.
One can also refer to MGMAT SC 5th edition, page 107.

A must be the right answer and not D.
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Try this one!! :-D
The restructuring agency explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found any feasible solution to the problems faced by the company.
A) explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found
B) had explored several alternatives, which includes complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found
C) explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, did not found
D) has explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found
E) has explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, did not not found


Yes, IMO you are right.
Coming back to the question listed by Fame, the current state is " not found" right?
Now if I use "has" in both the clauses, it would imply that both the actions took place now. There will be no proper sequencing of events.
One can also refer to MGMAT SC 5th edition, page 107.

A must be the right answer and not D.


Hi,

Can you explain the below statement in details?
"Now if I use "has" in both the clauses, it would imply that both the actions took place now. There will be no proper sequencing of events."

Please state an example for more clarity.


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A is incorrect because of a verb tense issue, which usually indicates a 'meaning' issue. The sentence is basically trying to say that the agency explored several alternatives but did not find a solution--the question is how did it happen? There are essentially two ways to describe it:

(1) both verbs can be in the past (explored...did not find) ; this means that both actions are fully completed--end of story.

(2) both verbs can be in the present perfect (has explored...has not found) ; this means that the agency, at some time in the past, explored several of perhaps many alternatives and did not find a solution, BUT, the agency is still exploring additional alternatives and could still find a solution. To convey this idea, that the agency is still in the process of exploring options and finding a solution, the present perfect is required for the "continued effect" it imparts on these actions--they began in the past and continue to the present moment because they are not yet completed.

Therefore D, which uses the second construction, is correct.
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Hi Jai,
I think you are missing Marcab's point here. In the Question stem both the events are independent. IMO your sentence "Ram went to the market, but has not come back home" is incorrect. But "Ram went to the market, but the shopkeeper has come home to deliver the goods" is valid
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fameatop wrote:
Try this one!! :-D
The restructuring agency explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found any feasible solution to the problems faced by the company.
A) explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found
B) had explored several alternatives, which includes complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found
C) explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, did not found
D) has explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found
E) has explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, did not not found


Any other explanations for why A is wrong? Is it really an issue of parallelism? Do you really just pick "has explored" because the later half of the sentence says "has not found?" I feel as if context is what really determines your choice rather than pattern. When you use present perfect, I feel as though they are still searching for solutions while the sentence seems to suggest they have already gave up looking for additional solutions and have settled with their current options, complete and partial liquidation of assets.
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That depends on the meaning you need to imply.
Here the sentence you listed is incorrect in that Ram is already in the market. How? It is already mentioned in the latter part of the sentence.
But is it the same in the status quo?
NO! We cant deduce the current situation.
Best regards,


Hi Marcab,

"The United States attacked Iraq, claiming that the latter possessed WMDs, but the former has not found any of them till date."

Now, the attacking part happened somewhere in the past and the effect of not finding something is still there in the present.

"the former has not found any of them till date".
If you are using "has", then "till date" should be removed as "has" already signifies that the effect of the action is still there in the present. This is only theoretically correct. However, in practice, this is not a strict rule.
"The United States attacked Iraq, claiming that the latter possessed WMDs, but the former has not found any of them."

If i say,
"The United States attacked Iraq, claiming that the latter possessed WMDs, but the former did not find any of them till date."

This usage is also correct, as it shows the intended meaning of the sentence.

Please correct me if i am wrong.

Thanks,
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Fameatop, Could you please let us know the source of this question?
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Hi Fameatop, kindly post the OE and the source of this question. I am eagerly waiting for it.
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I feel the correct usage in A would have been, The company 'explored', but 'did not find'. That is the only reason why i eliminated A and chose D.
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A is incorrect because of a verb tense issue, which usually indicates a 'meaning' issue. The sentence is basically trying to say that the agency explored several alternatives but did not find a solution--the question is how did it happen? There are essentially two ways to describe it:

(1) both verbs can be in the past (explored...did not find) ; this means that both actions are fully completed--end of story.

(2) both verbs can be in the present perfect (has explored...has not found) ; this means that the agency, at some time in the past, explored several of perhaps many alternatives and did not find a solution, BUT, the agency is still exploring additional alternatives and could still find a solution. To convey this idea, that the agency is still in the process of exploring options and finding a solution, the present perfect is required for the "continued effect" it imparts on these actions--they began in the past and continue to the present moment because they are not yet completed.

Therefore D, which uses the second construction, is correct.


IMO D as well. I second Reinfrank2011.

The constrcution is not right in A.

On the other hand D rightly puts.."has explored.....has not found".

It was a straight D for me. :)
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IMO A. This meaning makes more sense that option D. Explored the options in the past ( past tense required) and has not found the any option ( present perfect test required)


Can anyone explain why D is right?
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can you explain the answer D ?
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I thought you weren't allowed to have two verbs in past perfect in one sentence
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I picked A, don't understand why D is correct. Anyone knows , if it is a official question :|
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Hi,

I chose option A and I hope one of you will be able to correct me:
The question indicates a step by step ( 2-steps activity), first you explore and then you find the result. So the tense used for exploration will have to be different from the tense used for finding results. Here, I dont think both are simultaneous activities. Option D uses both the verbs in same tense.

I really dont know if I am missing something here. :(
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The restructuring agency explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found any feasible solution to the problems faced by the company.
A) explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found
B) had explored several alternatives, which includes complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found
C) explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, did not found
D) has explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, but has not found
E) has explored several alternatives, including complete and partial liquidation of assets, did not not found


only D fits...
we need present perfect for both of the verbs
has explored - an action that happened in the past, but whose effects are felt in present
same thing with has not found
usage of but as a non-conjunction makes you think of parallelism.

A/B/C are out right away
E has did not found - which is not only incorrect because of the wrong tense, but also because it uses DID + FOUND - incorrect usage of past simple.
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Coordinating conjunctions are used to join structurally similar predicates of a subject. I choose D based on this reasoning.

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