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The Roman Empire expanded to most of southern Europe and the Mediterranean region by the beginning of the first century C.E., bringing the Latin language with it, from which were derived Romance languages, including Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, and Romanian.

A.the Latin language with it, from which were derived Romance
B.the Latin language with it, and from which deriving the Romance
C.with it the Latin language, from which derive the Romance
D.with it the Latin language, from which derives Romance
E.with it the Latin language, and deriving from it the Romance

Note: Intiailly OA was marked incorrectly. OA corrected on 26th June 2014.

[Reveal] Spoiler:
The explanation says that in option A and B The pronoun which is referring to It...Is this possible because...I know pronoun can refer to another pronoun but here it is just doesn't look right....Do we have OG questions which follow the same structure.
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The explanation says that in option A and B The pronoun which is referring to It...Is this possible because...I know pronoun can refer to another pronoun but here it is just doesn't look right....Do we have OG questions which follow the same structure.



I go for option D. Since which should always come after the comma. Comma is not needed if it follows a preposition.

also must refer to the noun that comes immediately before the comma

But i have no idea whether do we have similar questions in OG. what about that El Nino question in OG 13?
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The Roman Empire expanded to most of southern Europe and the Mediterranean region by the beginning of the first century C.E., bringing the Latin language with it, from which were derived Romance languages, including Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, and Romanian.

A.the Latin language with it, from which were derived Romance
B.the Latin language with it, and from which deriving the Romance
C.with it the Latin language, from which derive the Romance
D.with it the Latin language, from which derives Romance
E.with it the Latin language, and deriving from it the Romance

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The explanation says that in option A and B The pronoun which is referring to It...Is this possible because...I know pronoun can refer to another pronoun but here it is just doesn't look right....Do we have OG questions which follow the same structure.


Romance languages are plural, so shouldn't it be "derive"? I chose C.
Can someone give an explanation?

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wounded tiger wrote : The explanation says that in option A and B The pronoun which is referring to It...Is this possible because...I know pronoun can refer to another pronoun but here it is just doesn't look right....Do we have OG questions which follow the same structure.


in fact i ruled out A for precisely the same reason . remember that A is not outright wrong (considering this point of "which" reference) but it is just that D has better construction that A

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Romance languages are plural, so shouldn't it be "derive"? I chose C.
Can someone give an explanation?


always remember "including" does not make a compound subject . u might have got confused with the concept of "AND" .

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Romance languages are plural, so shouldn't it be "derive"? I chose C.
Can someone give an explanation?


always remember "including" does not make a compound subject . u might have got confused with the concept of "AND" .


Romance languages..
That's plural regardless of the details concerning which language... Is this wrong?

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Romance languages..
That's plural regardless of the details concerning which language... Is this wrong?


i guess ur right !!

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C is the best option.

C.with it the Latin language, from which derive the Romance -- Romance languages derive from Latin language << inverted sentence... looks best.

D.with it the Latin language, from which derives Romance --- from Latin language derives Roman languages --- Latin language is object of preposition from thus cant be subject. Therefore, Roman languages plural is only eligible subject, which doesn't fit with singular verb derives.

E.with it the Latin language, and deriving from it the Romance --- Original sentence doesn't convey such meaning that The Roman Empire derived the Romance languages from Latin language. Therefore E is also wrong.
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C is the best option.

C.with it the Latin language, from which derive the Romance -- Romance languages derive from Latin language << inverted sentence... looks best.

D.with it the Latin language, from which derives Romance --- from Latin language derives Roman languages --- Latin language is object of preposition from thus cant be subject. Therefore, Roman languages plural is only eligible subject, which doesn't fit with singular verb derives.

E.with it the Latin language, and deriving from it the Romance --- Original sentence doesn't convey such meaning that The Roman Empire derived the Romance languages from Latin language. Therefore E is also wrong.



Guys,I am really sorry. :x
Precisely the reason ans is C.

Apologies for the confusion.

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I have a question here. If the two options, B and C were like this:
B.the Latin language with it, and from which derive the Romance
C.with it the Latin language, from which derive the Romance
In the above case, what would be the preferred option and why?

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The Roman Empire expanded to most of southern Europe and the Mediterranean region by the beginning of the first century C.E., bringing the Latin language with it, from which were derived Romance languages, including Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, and Romanian.

A.the Latin language with it, from which were derived Romance
B.the Latin language with it, and from which deriving the Romance
C.with it the Latin language, from which derive the Romance
D.with it the Latin language, from which derives Romance
E.with it the Latin language, and deriving from it the Romance



since we have which, it must be that latin language must be right before the pronoun. A and B are out right away
E - changes the meaning..now it is not implied that the romance languages derived from the "bringing the language". so incorrect.
between C and D - romance languages is plural so must have plural verb. C it is.

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The act of deriving must be done by someone. When it is not clear who derived shouldn't that be put in passive voice.
the languages don't themselves derive rather they must be derived. In the above, is it correct to say the romance languages derive from the Latin Language?
can Derive act as a stand alone verb?
chetan2u, sayantanc2k please explain.

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The act of deriving must be done by someone. When it is not clear who derived shouldn't that be put in passive voice.
the languages don't themselves derive rather they must be derived. In the above, is it correct to say the romance languages derive from the Latin Language?
can Derive act as a stand alone verb?
chetan2u, sayantanc2k please explain.



Hi,

here do not take the meaning of derive as obtained..
example the theorem was derived by ...

But here derive MEANS its origin..
example the country X derives its name from its main river..
here too the derive is used in this context..
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Can someone please explain why (A) is wrong? Thanks!

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How come 'C.with it the Latin language, from which derive the Romance' be the correct ans? Here 'derive' should be in past tense. It seems the Romance Languages are still in the act of 'deriving'.

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C is the correct answer

The modifier starting with 'which' must have referrant as near as possible. C does that
Also, option - A uses 'were' and this usage means as if romance languages were derived even before latin languages came.

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Can someone please explain why (A) is wrong? Thanks!

This sentence uses a relative clause construction with inversion, starting with "from which was derived..." The relative pronoun "which" refers back to the nearest logical antecedent. In answers A and B, this is the word "it", which refers to "The Roman Empire". Since these sentences incorrectly suggest that the Romance languages were derived from the Roman Empire, they can be eliminated.

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The Achaemenid empire of Persia reached the Indus Valley in the fifth century B.C., bringing the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and southern India alphabets.

A. the Aramaic script with it, from which was derived both northern and
B. the Aramaic script with it, and from which deriving both the northern and the
C. with it the Aramaic script, from which derive both the northern and the
D. with it the Aramaic script, from which derives both northern and
E. with it the Aramaic script, and deriving from it both the northern and
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I have a query related to the non-underlined portion of the sentence.

When we state that - 'by the beginning of first century C.E' - something happened, so this event which already occurred should be in past perfect tense.

i.e. The Roman Empire had expanded to ........ by the beginning of ......

Why are we using simple past tense (expanded) here?

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