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# The sale of government surplus machinery will begin at 9

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The sale of government surplus machinery will begin at 9 a.m. and continue until the
supply lasts.

(A) will begin at 9 a.m. and continue until the supply lasts
(B) begins at 9 a.m., continuing until the supply lasts
(C) will begin at 9 a.m. and, until the supply lasts, will continue
(D) begins at 9 a.m. and, as long as the supply may last, it continues
(E) will begin at 9 a.m. and continue as long as the supply lasts

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sayantanc2k wrote:
TheLordCommander wrote:
My guess between A and E - 'Until' is used for nouns, example until dawn, until success; 'as long as' is used for clauses. Experts , please prove or disprove this theory. Thanks.

Jon

Until:
"until" used as preposition goes with noun: We talked until midnight.
"until" used as conjunction goes with a clause: We kept walking until it got dark.
In either case the part after until (noun or clause) denotes a point in time.
(until success does not make sense: success is not a point in time. Until we succeeded is alright - it denotes a point in time when we succeeded.)

As long as:
"As long as" goes with clause.
I kept walking as long as there was light.
Unlike "until", "as long as" does not indicate a point in time, but denotes a period of time or a condition.
The implication is: X happens as long as period Y continues OR the condition Y is satisfied.

Sayantan, my confusion is - doesent supply last 'until' a point in time? When it is over, wouldn't that mark the end of activity?

Take this example again:
We kept walking until it got dark.... correct. (walking ended, darkness started)
We kept walking as long as there was light..... correct. (walking and light occurred together)
We kept walking until there was light.... wrong. (walking and light occurred together)

Thus when the two events referred occur together, use "as long as".
When one event ends and the other begins, use "until".

Another example for more clarity:
We kept running until it started to rain.
We kept running as long as it rained.
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use of until is wrong here
u can refer to this thread to know about correct usage of "until"
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until suggest abrupt trigger to stop an ongoing event whereas as long as suggest something ended over a period of time.

Thus as sales will continue over a period of time and stop automatically when stock will be over we should use as long as here.
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All choices eliminated except A & E. I chose A .

Digging further into this topic, I understood the following usage of Until VS As long As :

Until : refers to a point in time, deadline. The activity will STOP when that moment occurs.

So,The sale will stop the moment supply ends >> The sale will continue until the supply ends (and not lasts)

As long as : denotes "While", the activity will endure only during the moment (not before or after).

Accordingly, the sentence above implies that the sale will continue as long as the supply lasts (which means sale will continue only while supply is there, not after the supply is finished
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TheLordCommander wrote:
My guess between A and E - 'Until' is used for nouns, example until dawn, until success; 'as long as' is used for clauses. Experts , please prove or disprove this theory. Thanks.

Jon

Until:
"until" used as preposition goes with noun: We talked until midnight.
"until" used as conjunction goes with a clause: We kept walking until it got dark.
In either case the part after until (noun or clause) denotes a point in time.
(until success does not make sense: success is not a point in time. Until we succeeded is alright - it denotes a point in time when we succeeded.)

As long as:
"As long as" goes with clause.
I kept walking as long as there was light.
Unlike "until", "as long as" does not indicate a point in time, but denotes a period of time or a condition.
The implication is: X happens as long as period Y continues OR the condition Y is satisfied.
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11 Mar 2011, 07:14
So vicious of them ! There is clearly no colloquial difference between A and E - until / as long as.

until = upto a time

whichscore wrote:
The sale of government surplus machinery will begin at 9 a.m. and continue until the
supply lasts.

(A) will begin at 9 a.m. and continue until the supply lasts
(B) begins at 9 a.m., continuing until the supply lasts
(C) will begin at 9 a.m. and, until the supply lasts, will continue
(D) begins at 9 a.m. and, as long as the supply may last, it continues
(E) will begin at 9 a.m. and continue as long as the supply lasts

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17 Jun 2016, 22:00
i think
until+point of time
as long as+ period of time

so e is better here.

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17 Jun 2016, 22:07
whichscore wrote:
The sale of government surplus machinery will begin at 9 a.m. and continue until the
supply lasts.

(A) will begin at 9 a.m. and continue until the supply lasts
(B) begins at 9 a.m., continuing until the supply lasts
(C) will begin at 9 a.m. and, until the supply lasts, will continue
(D) begins at 9 a.m. and, as long as the supply may last, it continues
(E) will begin at 9 a.m. and continue as long as the supply lasts

hard,
after until we need a point of time which is presented by a time mark (3 .p.m.) or a clause. this clause show an action having ending point
I will speak until you come. action "come" have ending point

as long as need to be followed by a condition which is presented by a clause. as long as mean "if"

so using our common sense, we choose e, not a.
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whichscore wrote:
The sale of government surplus machinery will begin at 9 a.m. and continue until the
supply lasts.

(A) will begin at 9 a.m. and continue until the supply lasts
(B) begins at 9 a.m., continuing until the supply lasts
(C) will begin at 9 a.m. and, until the supply lasts, will continue
(D) begins at 9 a.m. and, as long as the supply may last, it continues
(E) will begin at 9 a.m. and continue as long as the supply lasts

as i was reading the question, a spontaneous thought occurred, which replaced until with "till the supply lasts", although not in answer options, but is this usage correct
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06 Nov 2016, 14:36
My guess between A and E - 'Until' is used for nouns, example until dawn, until success; 'as long as' is used for clauses. Experts , please prove or disprove this theory. Thanks.

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sayantanc2k wrote:
TheLordCommander wrote:
My guess between A and E - 'Until' is used for nouns, example until dawn, until success; 'as long as' is used for clauses. Experts , please prove or disprove this theory. Thanks.

Jon

Until:
"until" used as preposition goes with noun: We talked until midnight.
"until" used as conjunction goes with a clause: We kept walking until it got dark.
In either case the part after until (noun or clause) denotes a point in time.
(until success does not make sense: success is not a point in time. Until we succeeded is alright - it denotes a point in time when we succeeded.)

As long as:
"As long as" goes with clause.
I kept walking as long as there was light.
Unlike "until", "as long as" does not indicate a point in time, but denotes a period of time or a condition.
The implication is: X happens as long as period Y continues OR the condition Y is satisfied.

Sayantan, my confusion is - doesent supply last 'until' a point in time? When it is over, wouldn't that mark the end of activity?
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09 Nov 2016, 11:19
[/quote]

Take this example again:
We kept walking until it got dark.... correct. (walking ended, darkness started)
We kept walking as long as there was light..... correct. (walking and light occurred together)
We kept walking until there was light.... wrong. (walking and light occurred together)

Thus when the two events referred occur together, use "as long as".
When one event ends and the other begins, use "until".

Another example for more clarity:
We kept running until it started to rain.
We kept running as long as it rained.[/quote]

Brilliant mate. Thanks a ton!
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